Title: Color Change
VictorNg - February 12, 2009 01:33 PM (GMT)
I'm now working with a little small trick. This trick required color changes. I only know 3, i need 1 more. Anyone please tell me any color changes similar to shaeshifter, or maybe flick change. ( Face up card change to the face down card) Maybe some of you might suggest me duck change, but the handling looks similar to flick change. So i want to learn a different one.
Hope you guys understand what i am trying to express.
:) Thank you
chizzielamer - February 12, 2009 03:12 PM (GMT)
Pughe's Pass (Ego ) ?
and the Clipshift?
wad about something like erdnase just that you p*** a c*** beforehand and sort of rub on the card to show that it has changed?
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VictorNg - February 12, 2009 03:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (chizzielamer @ Feb 12 2009, 11:12 PM) |
Pughe's Pass (Ego ) ?
and the Clipshift?
wad about something like erdnase just that you p*** a c*** beforehand and sort of rub on the card to show that it has changed?
Mod's note: Please try not to expose any secrets. |
Thank you very much. However, i need a change like flick change(not the move, but the cards position, one face up and one face down, both on top of the deck)
I can't think of any way to explain it more detail. Sorry, this is only what i could thnk of for now.
muscleaxl - February 12, 2009 04:24 PM (GMT)
Illogical DL. Just that it is not visual. But it fits your criteria.
Ok, maybe twirl change, which is quite similar to shapshifter.
VictorNg - February 13, 2009 02:07 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (muscleaxl @ Feb 13 2009, 12:24 AM) |
Illogical DL. Just that it is not visual. But it fits your criteria.
Ok, maybe twirl change, which is quite similar to shapshifter. |
Oh, twirl change, this is already one of the changes. But i don't know the name of it so didn't mention about it. Thanks. Will search more about illogical DL. :)
muscleaxl - February 13, 2009 02:58 AM (GMT)
I'm not sure if the "official" name is Illogical DL but that's what Uncle Bob called it and that's how I know it.
Alexander - February 13, 2009 03:41 AM (GMT)
yah. its an official name. But I cannot remember but whom though.
VictorNg - February 13, 2009 06:07 AM (GMT)
Searched in google but got nothing about it. But at least, i searched in Magic Cafe and know that it's by Greg Wilson. But don't know where to learn it.
Any others? haha..
mattlee - February 13, 2009 06:35 AM (GMT)
Greg Wilson? I always thought it was by Harry Lorayne.
Anyway the mechanics quite easy. Just ask Uncle Bob to show you the next time you see him.
VictorNg - February 13, 2009 06:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mattlee @ Feb 13 2009, 02:35 PM) |
Greg Wilson? I always thought it was by Harry Lorayne.
Anyway the mechanics quite easy. Just ask Uncle Bob to show you the next time you see him. |
I'm not sure whether i've the chance to meet Uncle Bob, I'm from Malaysia. MMF forum is dying, so i hang here instead of MMF. Btw, i don't know whether Illogical DL and Illogical Turnover are the same thing or not. Illogical Turnover is by Harry Lorayne.
VictorNg - February 13, 2009 07:17 AM (GMT)
Erm, now i read that Illogical DL is by Harry Lorayne. So, maybe the one i read before is wrong.
mattlee - February 13, 2009 08:05 AM (GMT)
If I recall correctly its in CUCM (Closeup Card Magic) by Harry Lorayne. You can start by looking there for the move description.
VictorNg - February 13, 2009 09:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mattlee @ Feb 13 2009, 04:05 PM) |
| If I recall correctly its in CUCM (Closeup Card Magic) by Harry Lorayne. You can start by looking there for the move description. |
Finally i found it. The move is explained in Apocalypse 6-10.
muscleaxl - February 13, 2009 09:41 AM (GMT)
Wow, so fast you found your stuff. You must have alot of books lying around.
qureyoon - February 13, 2009 10:07 AM (GMT)
VictorNg - February 13, 2009 01:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (muscleaxl @ Feb 13 2009, 05:41 PM) |
| Wow, so fast you found your stuff. You must have alot of books lying around. |
Like what qureyoon said, i found at there. Haha. How good if i have the book :blink:
chizzielamer - February 13, 2009 03:13 PM (GMT)
There are stuff like HCDS Hirosakai in the Yannick Chretien DVD and HDTV by Myles Nakouzi and they all depend on color changes.
jeromefang - February 13, 2009 06:47 PM (GMT)
The Illogical DL was indeed created by Harry Loryane. The Colour Change using the Illogical DL is also called the Flip Flop move which I believe was credited to Paul Harris.
It seems to me you're looking for Visual Colour Changes. Visual Changes are eye candy to watch. However, although Visual magic is strong but Strong magic need not be visual. Magic happens in the minds of the spectators and not in the hands of the performer.
Do not limit yourself to just visual changes. Sometimes, a simple Top Change can do wonders for you. Try adding it in your presentation, you be surprised by the reations you get.
Cheers
Jerome
chizzielamer - February 14, 2009 03:10 PM (GMT)
jeromfang got a point.
But I think color changes ( if done well) is a quick way to get that WOW on people's faces.
However, color changes are only a technique, and must be incorporated with plots and other sleights et cetera.
mattlee - February 15, 2009 05:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
But I think color changes ( if done well) is a quick way to get that WOW on people's faces.
However, color changes are only a technique, and must be incorporated with plots and other sleights et cetera.
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Actually i think you would be surprised - A color change as an effect by itself is not quite that impressive to audiences.
My personal opinion is that magicians in general tend to overrate the color change, as if its some sort of magic bullet to woo audience reactions.
The color change is only powerful if the cards changing mean something to the audience. (Changing into selected card, transposing a card from across the room, changing into a card held in the spectators hand etc)
All these plots/ideas add an extra layer of impossibility to the change, and an extra layer of meaning. This is the point where the color change becomes 'the most magical thing you can do with cards' as Dai Vernon said.
Out of curiosity, Victor what is the routine you are working on?
VictorNg - February 15, 2009 05:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mattlee @ Feb 15 2009, 01:20 PM) |
| QUOTE |
But I think color changes ( if done well) is a quick way to get that WOW on people's faces.
However, color changes are only a technique, and must be incorporated with plots and other sleights et cetera.
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Actually i think you would be surprised - A color change as an effect by itself is not quite that impressive to audiences.
My personal opinion is that magicians in general tend to overrate the color change, as if its some sort of magic bullet to woo audience reactions.
The color change is only powerful if the cards changing mean something to the audience. (Changing into selected card, transposing a card from across the room, changing into a card held in the spectators hand etc)
All these plots/ideas add an extra layer of impossibility to the change, and an extra layer of meaning. This is the point where the color change becomes 'the most magical thing you can do with cards' as Dai Vernon said.
Out of curiosity, Victor what is the routine you are working on?
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Erm, it's an aces and kings trick. Where 4 aces change to 4 kings one by one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFSVP80Wh68 Bob Chua - February 15, 2009 02:10 PM (GMT)
The illogical DL is by Harry Lorayne and that's is what I learnt some 20 years ago.
I think it was mentioned in his early book, the Close Up Magic and his early instructional video.
Most of Lorayne's early instructional video are now available in dvds and they are worth watching. He is a very knowledgeable and sought after magician although some magicians hate his presentation style.
Uncle Bob
VictorNg - February 16, 2009 04:11 AM (GMT)
Thanks Uncle Bob for the information.
@jeremofang, i just read the content of color changes by Jay Noblezada, there's also one flip flop change inside, is it the same one?
jeromefang - February 20, 2009 09:07 AM (GMT)
Hi Victor,
I'm not sure of the one inside Jay Noblezada's DVD but I think it should be the same one. The one I saw was inside Ben salinas's Hot Shot Color Changes. Hope this helps.
Cheers
Jerome
