This is of course one of the most powerful sleights in coin magic. Extremely deceptive if done well.

There have been many variations after all this while. The best i have came across is none other than from ChanZiAn.

There are a few others whom i have seen that does it well. The problem is that their hands tend to look strained or that it'd be in a position that doesn't seem natural nor motivate.

How is your retention vanish like? I hope this can be a discussion on its execution and perharps resources that talks about this move.

I remember ZiAn saying how he would only use retention vanish for bigger coins (diameter 4cm) but i think many of us use retention vanish even for a small coin. Its slightly different with a small coin.

Do you end your retention vanish having the coin in FP?Or in FT rest? Is there anyone with a retention that ends in CP? What do you think should be the natural thing to do after executing the move? What would you do next usually for your routines?

My retention vanish is sort of similar to David Stone's because I love his way of doing it so I adapted from him. I learned my first retention vanish from Dean Dill's Extreme Dean 1. His teaching on it was great and he mentioned a common mistake most magicians make. We often position our receiving hand out before we actually want to receive the coin. It is a weird thing to do.
Dean Dill mention that we should time the hands meeting and it should look natural like we pass one object into another.

I think timing in RV is crucial.

I end my RV with a CP. I think FP and FT rest is too suspicious sometimes. In a CP I can move my hand or snap my fingers or do a throwing gesture.

I've studied and worked on for years perfecting the retention of vision vanish with a coin. I released my techniques to the magic fraternity in my first book, 21st Century Coin Mechanics.
You can see some of the moves taught in the book performed in short video clips at:

http://www.geocities.com/larrybarnowsky/movieclips.html

Larry

I think so too. I try to end my RV in CP position. But the problem is how do u get into that? By right, if u are using what Stone is teaching, i guess yours would either be in Edge grip, FP or FT rest right? So do you bring your hands away and then get it into CP? I believe Stone emphasized alot on how one should "NEVER" CP a coin after a retention vanish in vol 1. :(

I have not seen Stone's Coin DVD before. I did not know how he taught Retention Vanish last time. The DVD was very long ago I suppose. I adapted how he did his retention from his latest One Coin Routine. He does CP after the retention and then does a move to show both hands empty. I know there is a RV taught that cannot end with a CP. Maybe you are using this one which is using your middle finger for something and withdraw hand. I don't.

I also tend to do it David Stone method. And I follow his advise to keep it in FT rest and do not try to do CP, which would end up in lot of movement with your hands. He suggest to resist any such urge to immediately move into CP. Instead keep it in FT rest until when you next move your hand to pick up something (may be a magic Wand etc) and use this opportunity to move it to CP moving your hand forward.

David Roth as well has suggested in one of his routine explanation the same thing.

Ah.. I think we are using the same one. Actually in his one coin routine, the RV he uses doesn't end with a CP. He points at his eyes and that was his motivation of which he does the CP. By right it should end at finger tip rest position still. Yup! Just like what Ashtrix said, as Roth suggested.

P.S. David Stone's Basic Coin magic vol 1 touch on the novice retention vanish in his routine and also teachs a more "advanced" version in the bonus interview.

In Basic Coin Magic Vol. 2, the rention vanish is once again refined in the bonus interview. Personally i did not find it as impressive as the one taught in the first interview.

Lastly, the move that shows "both hands empty" is the handwash technique from Michael Ammar's book. If i remembered corretly, its the handwash technique #2

I love the hand wash technique but I didn't know what is the move called. Thanks for letting me know and telling me the source. His pointing eye is a good move to get into CP.

Not a problem the book is called "The Magic of Michael Ammar"

I love the handwash as well. Practiced it for more than a year. :D

Still loving it.

I recently got to learn some coin moves. I learned from a DVD by Jay Noblezada for beginners. The RV move shown by him appears to end with a FP, because, after all, the coin is near finger tips. But near the end of the DVD, there was a move that seems to need to change to CP after an RV.

So whether should we move to a CP right after a RV? My beginner's opinion is that as long as you can draw attention away from the hand with coin, and you can do the move really quickly, you could get away with it. I suppose it won't work if there is a magician among your spectators, and worse if someone call out attention to your move (I suppose there are always someone raring to spoil your show somewhere).

Regards,
Jim

Well if you think about it, David's Coin Magic Vol 1 has been around for quite long. And most RV taught I know, needs to end with a FP or FT. But i personally uses a different RV.

If you watch more recent performance of David Stone you will see how he does his RV and have induced a transit move to get into CP. I believe this move is shown on his Real Secrets of Magic One Coin Routine. The older version where he performs in Mandrake still does not have this move yet.

Indeed, his pointing eyes action is a good way to put the coin into CP.

Think about it, the point of doing that is to keep that hand busy so nobody know you are actually CP-ing. I feel that the ultimate point here is, while CP-ing, some form of misdirection must be included.

Indeed. These are the small little things that make the whole effect "WHOLE" and magical.

So we see building up a routine or effect is not easy and require much experimentation and thoughts.