any of you mastered the faro shuffle?
trying real hard to do a perfect faro but always fall short...
any tips or pointeres?? :huh:

the elusive perfect faro...
with a very new decks of cards, i can perhaps fall 2 or 3 cards off...
You guys heard about if you do 8 perfect faros, the order of the deck is back to original?
But i dun think u have to do a perfect faro to be able to utilise it....
if you can have, for example, a perfect faro for the top 1/2 of the deck, that can be used for some effects already...
I saw someone at the Magic Castle did it before. Perfect for 2 - 3 times...then missed a few the other times....but enough to do an interesting gambling effect.

I have only meet one ppl who cld do a perfect faro...(was abt mths ago when i started magic..he showed me and told me that's a perfect faro...at that time, i still do not know what's a perfect faro and just nodded my head...he did taught/guide me before but i forgotten it quite fast since last time... ;) )
but, it seems he's quite shy to meet all of us ba... :rolleyes:

hmm, i saw magicians like Allan Ackerman and Steve Forte did that on videos...
lots of cool effects can be done with it....
i want to learn!!! :blink: :blink: :blink:

btw, did i mention that this frd of mine had been practising the faro for 1(or more) year?
He said he practise that now and then, everytime to make sure he get it done nicely...
but, still he do fails (seldom, but does)..

not something u sld learn if u r a hobbist..:)
it's too tedious.. :rolleyes:

Bone can do 8 perfect faros at once. huron and Kevin too.

Hm... How does a faro shuffle looks like? Any video to show?

i would nv do faro shuffles with paper cards... spoils the edges... plastic cards are way easier to do and it never get damage

A faro shuffle is when a deck of cards is into into 2 stacks and put back together such that the cards of each stack interlaces each other. Very hard to explain but the ending result is like when you cut a deck into 2 and your spring the cards into 1 pile in the center. Those tradition chinese gambling movie shuffle.

A PERFECT faro is cuting the deck EXACTLY into 2 equal stacks and then pressed back together such that the cards are perfectly interlaced.

My reccomendation is to not do faros with an old deck. Nor a REALLY new one, ie just out of the box. A fairly-warmed up pack should do, and all that you need left is... Practice ;)

Tip: Just keep doing it so that you break 26-26 every single time. THIS is what'll probably be the hardest part of these. Sure, the faro-ing part is a little knacky, but after a while, it's just like riding a bike: once you get it down, you ain't never gonna forget it none. Hehe

-Kev

Unless the Bike(s) are worn out.. all 52 of them.. heheheh.

Yeah.. just keep practicing.. i believe i was doing this at magic castle one day when our dear Ning came up to me and said.. "Thats a really nice shuffle".. and i nearly peed in my pants.. "a girl said that to me??" B) :P

Haha faros are one of the most beautiful moves in the world, when the cards interweave one for one. Well, perfect faros for that matter. Laymen's eyes pop when they see the cards split perfectly, and they faint when you tell them both halves of the deck are 26 cards each with a single cut. Wow.

Myth: Faros can't be done with old decks. As in sticky crazy soft low quality totally lousy and cheap cards.

Truth: You haven't learnt Huron's Open Faro yet.

What a shameless plug! :P

Huron

Splitting the decks into perfect 26-26 is a real $#^&#$@. I've tried to get that going before but gave up after a while.
It is bad enough having to practise it like some ninja training. But everything you TRY it, you have to COUNT the cards to know if you did it right.
That just kills me.

Hey Morphine, you don't have to count every single time! Just put a key card 27 cards into the deck! After everytime you split the deck, spring it a few times to get rid of the natural break if it's too new. Then start again. After a while it gets rather natural.

Huron

i finally managed to do 8 faros together!!! feel so proud of myself...
now need to get it consistant.
*rubbing aching fingers*

If you guys think about it.. how many tricks are the that involve a Perfect Faro? Most just require maybe about half or a quarter of the stack you know.. I guess all of you buggers just wanna show off huh. hahah. like me B)

oh yes.. the lazy mans way of counting cards as well. i do that. hahah.

ugh! why didn't i think of that??! Yeah, the key card is a good idea, thanks Huron.

Great, now Jamkid can do it too....i will feel like i wanna be able to do it too and spend the next few days sleeping with cards in my hand....just like muscle pass.... :P

Daryl, it'a bragging rights. Next time some kiddo who has read a magic book in his primary school library tries to say he can do it too, you can say "Yes....but can you to THIS......" B)

there quite a few possiblities with faro i think.
of coz, to show off :P
a lot of gambling tricks can utilize it. n if u cheat while playing big 2 with ur friends..... u know what i mean. :D

i cant do perfect faro anymore!!!! argh!!!!!!!!
been trying since i've woke up this morning, and i've lost it!!!! :(

Hahha..thats funny..cos i just got it again today..lol.. but it gets harder when ur deck is older..not only because the edges are not as fine, but the dirt also makes it a tad tougher to estimate the 26-26.

Faro is all about practise. And of course keeping the packets alinged. I can't do Iit 8 times in a row but 4 shouldn't be too hard. Ultimately, you just need time, patience and practice.

My Open Faro just rocks man... :P

Haha... use a new deck to boost your confidence with the Perfect Faro.
Usually when I just grasp a knacky move, I make sure I'm rather satisfied with what I'm seeing and end off with the 3-time principal. What's that?

1st time : fluke
2nd time: lucky
3rd time : okay fine you can do the damn thing

Then STOP. Because we tend to get carried away and continue practising and might adversely unintentionally alter the handling... and if we suddenly screw up at that point of time and OVERLEARN it the wrong way while desperately trying to do it for the rest of the nigh, we're going to die, because by doing that we're actually practising the wrong method and if it does become natural to you, hoho... you're screwed. Unlearning something is very very difficult. So just chill, go to bed cause it's already 2 am, and try again the next day. I'd call it temporary overlearning... don't be too hard on yourself.

Learning...
Underlearning - The first stage where you're desperately trying to do the move. Concentrating on every single aspect of it, getting technique right. Basically, you suck at it.

Learning- When you've learnt a move and can do it rather comfortably. But you can't talk to somebody while doing it or do it subconsciously.

Overlearning- When whatever you do becomes a part of you...natural. Where you can do the move without blinking an eye and it's as easy as pie... or as hard as my abs. Overlearn a move the right way, and damn do you have flawless technique! Overlearn a move the wrong way, and good luck changing your technique. Without dedication, it's NOT going to happen.

Huron

"Hard as my abs"!? LoL. Can it be that hard to do a faro? Hmmm. I agree about the three stages though. And I REFUSE to practise anything at night. I do all the practicing in school during Social Studies, Geography and Chemistry. Of course I listen to the other teachers.

You must have really generous teachers who let you take out a deck of cards and start practising during their lessons :D

Nah. These 3 teachers are the blind ones... And boring too.
Hmmm. I only do one type of faro. How many different faros are there...

As for practice, once you got it down the right way, you can use CLJ's form of practice: before hitting the sack, promise yourself that you will do the move at least 20 or so times flawlessly (or something close to it), and then you can go to sleep. You have a purpose, a goal, and motivation: so why not? Hehe

-Kev

Kevin. Where is your quote from? The signature thing...

I think if ur a member of magic castle u shld be able to faro fairly well
Since the free trick dark card requires a faro.
I dun like to faro new decks
spoils the edges.
Heart veri pain.
For black bikes, i dun even wanan do a riffle shuffle wif them.
veri stingy.

faro shuffle.. hehe ive been practicing on it for the past week or so.. its getting there....i like seeing each card going ontop one another slowly and one by one.. really looks good.

ive been practicing with my old bikes.. and the funny thing is that it works... even though the cards are like so worn out. it works best on dry conditions... try having ya air cond on... the room is cool and less humid. that condition also makes ya cards.. even old.. easier to have nice spread when thumb fan.

Everyone's been talking about this faro shuffle. I believe its an advance sleight or some sort. Where do you guys learn it? I'm getting intrested.

wtf :huh: i can never get a faro with old cards.... for easy faro.. use plastic cards haha... but whats the point??? isnt faro a slieght to impress other magicians? haha :lol:

Faro i dun think is considered a sleight. To me its juz another flourish move or shuffling move. Spoils the cards IMHO. So i seldom do them wif a new deck.

faro is not a sleight or flourish. it's a controlled shuffle.
a big diff there

Yes i can do it, but not that perfect till every card is lap ontop of each others.

For all the guys complaining about not being able to faro with old decks. :D

faros are pretty okay for me... but i find that i do them better with new decks (1-2 hrs old). using old decks would end up wf the cards sticking together... until now, can onli do to @ most 2-3 perfect faros... oh yeah, anibody can teach how to spring, my springs love to fly all over the place and the cards fly @ an angle... not perfectly perpendicular to the hand like sum ppl i've seen...