hi guys i and my bro wish to get raven but there r so many raven i have no ideal which one is the best with short sleves. and what we can get at places magic castle ? can any pro with raven answer and help me out. damsel in distress lol

All raven can be done with short sleeves.. Only different of RavenX2 is it can bend keys.... :D

wow ty bro so what you mean raven 2 is better ya ? ty for the tips. drop by mc this wed and get it actually the spider pen seems abit more amazing to me but my bro wanna get raven . ty for your reply bro

You might wanna check with the dealers here 1st. Or ask if someone has one they wanna sell. You might get a much better price.

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I think it's only fair to let you know firstly that you can't use SG coins with the Raven. Before purchasing anything, it's best to take the time to find out what you're really getting and will you use it as much as you think you will?

It'd be prudent Gerald, to find out if the person you're getting your stuff from can be trusted or otherwise. We've got some good delaers who can probably help you out. They'd be able to help you better as they'd be more knwoledgable about the different types of Ravens in the market.

Good luck gerald ;)

you can't use SG coins with the raven unless..

haha. SG S&S rocks!

I think it's better to learn Coin Sleights rather than using the Raven. The Raven can only work with US coins.

Yeah, coin sleights VS Raven in terms of being practical in performances, coin sleights wins.

- Ling.

i suggest u dun get raven, in all aspects of magic, sleights should form the basis of your magic.

hmm, but coin sleights how can beat the effect of raven.. raven.. noboby handles the coin but still it can vanish.. maybe more convincing? no offence.. ^_^

hmm i got the people from SM sayin tat dream vanish is better den raven.. any reviewers? :huh:

But the downside of raven is when the spectator asks for the coin.. unless u got a backup coin, this will be tough

raven is for vanishin the coin only wad.. not for reappearing

Spectator is always asking for more, they will say if you can vanish, make it reappear again. Hahaha it's just like when you break a spoon, they ask you to restore it. :)

haha yea.. but usually i take control of the performance.. not them.. :D :D :D

Usually till you meet spectators who are just as hardcore as WWE wrestlers. Hahaha ~ You will get to experience spectators like them in long run of performing, but no worry, just praise the lord. Hahaha ~

lol i got much more to learn on the road of magi.. heh

The Raven, coin sleights get a little angle sometime but coin sleights works better than Raven if you get the hang of natural movement and fake.

Yeah lor how to restore a spoon haiz lol~ Anyway Dream vanish not that good In my point of view lah.... :D

the ppl at SM kip brainwashing me to buy dream vanish.. hmmm

dream vanish is one of the worst tricks that you can buy, in my opinion.
You have to learn to take sales pitch with a pinch of salt.

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:lol: Read our previous threads... it was being slammed left, right, centre, all the way to the moon and back.

If you really want the manuscript that badly I'll sell you mine at half the price.

Learn sleights lah!!!! :lol:

agreed ning.

anyway, yes, raven achieves a very VISUAL vanish that seems just impossible. but that is where the problem lies, it looks just TOO perfect, and i dun really want to talk about the "too perfect" theory thing, but it just doesnt leave ur audience with much options as to how the effect was accomplished.

on the contrary, it is sleights, coupled with proper psychology and misdirection, that is more convincing.

oh i see.. haha.. yea i did a search and saw.. but its not a sleight.. not a gimmick.. thats leaves.. magic? :huh:

the dream vanish not tat good IMO... u need lots of practise to be able to perform it nicely... u needa wathc out for angles too.. and its more for a 1 to 1 kinda tingy.. so got a choice between raven and dream vanish.. i'll rather get the raven...

...Or learn sleights and you can do without both ;) Save money on props, learn a life skill. You choose ^_^

i've never failed in getting a wonderful reaction whenever i do dream vanish. i've did this trick to a crowd of up to 7 people; as long as they're in the 180 degrees angle, its perfectly safe.

also, have the spectator to hold a coin in their palm and tell them to do exactly what u're doing, to have a better misdirection. (jus 1 person from the crowd will do, not all of them)