freely i get and freely i give, blessed is the one who give than get?

i will said if doing it for the KIngdom, why not??

stone me if anyone had not agree with it. B)

good on ya mate.... gospel sharing.... wow... lol i should try create some using card magic lol.. :)...

the per hours rates looks good to me! ... cool...

Hi MAD

I think what you're trying to say is that the price shouldn't matter so much since we're just hosts of whatever God has decided to bless us with and so should give as freely as we have received.

Not that I disagree, but I think one thing to consider is that you cannot give what you do not have. This being the case, you have to be receiving from somewhere before you can give anything. As a practical consideration, the less Gospel magic shows pay, the harder it will be for the magician to invest in other Gospel magic.

Mr Maestro

Thank u for the reply i love it, well said i agree with you. Therefore not many Gospel Illusion magician around. Not all had the same mind as we had. "Freely freely we received, Freely freely we give." B)

"I think what you're trying to say is that the price shouldn't matter so much since we're just hosts of whatever God has decided to bless us with and so should give as freely as we have received.

Not that I disagree, but I think one thing to consider is that you cannot give what you do not have. This being the case, you have to be receiving from somewhere before you can give anything. As a practical consideration, the less Gospel magic shows pay, the harder it will be for the magician to invest in other Gospel magic."

i do abit of gospel magic at times.. but i find that ultimately what touches a person is the work of God.. something that human cannot do anything about it...

i have a friend that just read out everything word by word from a gospel track and the guy recieve Christ... praise the Lord...

another danger about gospel magic is the after effect of magic... i guess most of the time the "spectator" will be more amazed by the trick than the unconditional love of God..

just some of my views here... really nth against gospel magic... its a gd tool to relate to pple... but of course can be easily misunderstood as the main part of gospel..

xiang

Hi, Spideyjos, Someone told me that when something reap, 2 time means confirm. So i will said you are right. B)

Creative ways of share the Good News just an tools to attact people attention, so let learn together how to use Gospel Illusion(GI) to reach more people.

Share your idea? please thanks.

As for me after a GI, i will follow by my life testimony.

what about your's? Magicb, The Maestro and Spideyjos B)

personally, i find the presentation of most gospel magic rather lame. im sorry to say this, but being a catholic myself, i feel as if the gospel is made to fit the magic and not the other way round. it looks forced and faked.

of course, if i can, i would like to try and comeup with a more engaging presentation which doesnt have such rigid defined structures of patter for each routine with poor transitions (like the guy from IF - dwayne something?).

but because of the special requirements of gospel magic, that it is neccesary for both the magic and the gospel to go hand in hand, i dont think im ready to do it yet, and im also not ready to spend the time here. i would like to spend the time on other genres of magic...

I have no qualm with people discussing about gospel magic but please try and keep the preaching to yourself. We can start a whole debate on this alone.

gospel magic... what happens when the people you performed to find out that you are just doing tricks?

I guess that's good-bye to all your preaching...

I personally felt that gospel magic is to explain the gospel in a more understanding context since you are using objects.The gospel will go hand in hand with the magic.So I do not think people would just look at what you are doing only.

I am interested in this area but do not really know how to start.Watch a VCD by Andre Kole and it really inspires me a lot...He did quite a number of illusions to go along with his preaching...

I also find that most gospel magic is quite lame but Duane Laflin comes across to me as an exception. He's a really good speaker and when he performs it really doesn't look like a message was just hacked into the magic. He also emphasizes on his DVDs that this shouldn't be the case.

I have most of his DVDs and am trying to master some of his silk and gospel illusion stuff. I have no experience with stage magic or gospel illusion so find it quite tough. Equipment also quite expensive :mellow:

first.. really sorry for the double post... haha.. didn notice it at all.. and hmm... how to get rid of it ( dont see any delete icon around.. =P )

this is so true.... haha.. gospel is too big for magic and thus look forced into a trick.. but still, this is the best alternative to kinf of "represent" gospel in a easier to understand form..

for me when i go GI, if ever i screw up or they are kind of hecklar.. :o i'll tell them tt wad im doing is just a more interactive way to present what im about to go into next.. that work fine for me.. =)


after magical moments..haha.. i will go into explaining the effect as in to make sure the person understand wad every detail is for.. this is for GI

for gospel sharing.. i dont really follow a pattern.. i will first go into some casual talk or a "survey" ( a tactic my church always use.. haha.. think its quite a cheap way to make pple talk.. ) and get to know the person more... this will allow me to know how to deliver the good news...

eg. if the person is reading a real thick non-fiction book... i will go into the whole idea on creation and the fact tt there is a god... get the idea..

and so on lorx.. yupz..

xiang

HI ALL B) THANKS FOR ALL REPLY.

WISH A HAPPY LABOUR DAY AND GOD BLESS. :P

M.A.D. B)

Gospel magic has great impact on the young generations. I beleive it has most impact on the children... those in the primary school stage.

Purpose is to share the word of God to them and tell them more abt God and what he did etc etc through magic.

Children get amazed with magic and when there is a msg in the magic routine surely these children relate to it and will take the msg back to think abt what they saw and heard.

As for older people.. well... it might not be so effective and may be a bit lame.... but well.. who knows.... GOD can do miricles...

God Bless,
MagicB B)

IMO, duane laflin speaks well, magic is not bad, but when he performs his routine, it seriously sounds like a tape recorder just playing.

from his usual self, he suddenly goes into this highly fluent, superficial (and obviously routine) patter and just goes on and on. once he finishes his routine, he will talk naturally, b4 going into an extremely unnatural type patter.

Gospel Illusion just as an object lesson style of telling the truth of Good News.

"Hear powerful messages while seeing amazing illusions".

Using the art of illusion is a unique way to present the truths of the gospel. Scott mixes "magical" Christ-centered object lessons with plenty of audience interaction and fun to present Illusions Illustrated. 50 minutes of fun entertainment as bible truths are illustrated in a manner that will be long remembered.

As for me, a helper in the Church Kids Ministry, i was trained in creative teaching, and as for i found that by using "magic" to tell the truth, the children will stay longer than i using puppet.

Principle of Gospel Illusion.
a) Know your MESSAGE well and choose your magic able to CONVERYING the truth;
The point of the magic MUST be the point of the MESSAGE; and
c) Convey the MESSAGE at the HIGH POINTS of the magic.

many people's philosophy that magic and christianity are still not a pair till now......let me ask you this what to think magic was??

Occult or enteraining?

Before condemning let think.

o now is 11.22pm time for bed. will share more with God allow.

what about all of you, who do Gospel illusion too, please start a sharing session.

Thanks Mr JasonL allow us to do so. a set a side session for us.

as dwayne has said, u need to earn the right to speak to do gospel, no point going in and doing a show purely on gospel magic...
lawrence has some realli cool gospel stuff, like a light bulb trick teaching on how wothout got we are all wothout light and with god, our paths are all lighted. really cooll.. another is a realli cool weighing scale effect,
another realli cool 3 balls and across, its like the wordless gospel.. realli coolll.

i hear that there is gonna be a gospel show by his church on The effect of the occult..
www.thespookshow.com
realli cool.. come to see some really good gospel..

B) Coming Sept 05 there will be lesson on Gospel Illusion by A/G church want to know more, please reply. :P

I'm interested. What's A/G btw? How much would it cost?

Hi, Maestro have u reading Twenty Years Of Magic By Jay Sankey? :P


CHILDREN's MINISTRIES' CONFERENCE 2005
Date: 7th to 9th September 2005
Venue: Emmanuel Assembly of God Church
Address: 165, Upper East Coast Road S(455266)

Contact details:
Tel: 6841 4912
email: cmc@ag.org.sg
Mailing Address: 8, Lor 27A Geylang
#02-08, Guilin Building
Singapore 388106

Paul was the speaker for Gospel illusion. He is an Assemblies of God Minister, pastoring a Baptist Church in Manchester, England. Paul is a keen gospel magician using this means to great effect in many situations. Paul also has a small business, “Tricks For Truth”, that sells magic tricks to Christian workers throughout Europe.

Gospel Illusion I - The Magical Kiss
KISS (keep it simple saints), simple gospel magic effects that carry a powerful message.

Gospel Illusion II - The Net
Learn how to choose your magic to illustrate the message. Effective gospel magic and visual aids that carry a powerful salvation message.

Gospel Illusion II - In front of the Curtain
Learn how to choose your magic to illustrate the message. We’ll explore the possibilities with a few tried and true illusions.

Website: http://www.ag.org.sg/cmc/cmc.html

The above website u can find out more... :P

To all!!

There is goin to be a spook show performed by Pastor Lawrence Khong and his daughter Priscilla.Its on th 26th Aug, 7.30pm,27th Aug 2.30pm and 7.30pm,28th Aug 2.30pm.There are 3 different timeslots.Tickets are selling at $8.But i can help u to get it for $4!!Interested people can PM or E-mail me at Han_1710@hotmail.com.

Tis show is a show regarding demons and black magic..it teaches us how to deal with it..It is v good for those who did not heard bout black magic or demons..

anyway,wad u mean by 'u need to earn the right to speak to do gospel'?do u mean tat amatures magician cannot perform gospel magic?if tis is wad u mean, i tinkl are are wrong..anyway, can specify the meaning of the sentence?