Hi I just wanna know how many people use passes all the time? I've got lots of magic friends but many of them don't like passes. Anyone's view on this will be appreciated.

I like the pass.... it is a very beautiful move... but i seldom use them...in fact, i never use them.(unless i want to cheat while gambling) Using the pass in magic is ok, but... i just dun like to use them in magic...dunno why.

HUh? Shouldnt it be the OTHER way around? Cos in gambling, you cannot misdirect. But in magic, it is one of the most ultized moves.

I use it alot.

if done right a pass wouldn't need misdirection.

In gambling(why are we talking about cheating?), if you are the dealer you can talk abit, move a bit, anything... the pass isn't that hard to do.... whoosh and you're done, nobody sees anything...

I LOVEEE IT =D I dont use it as a sleight to achieve an effect but as a whole trick or routine.

Basically do the vegas card cheat routine that ellusionist teaches in Ninja 1 series. I show them the invisible pass by showing a card in the middle then show that it appears on top in a quick motion of squaring up. This usually freaks them out cuz the invisi pass is unoticable in the front and some side views. Lay people freak out on this. Then continue on and on with series of different passes and finally hit them with the 'one hand pass'. B)

I think the invisi pass can even be used in ACR's, I mean lay people really cant see it if you do it right, and some magicians I know dont see through it too!

Dont wanna sound like a smart ass but there somethings I would like to point out here.

AlRaven the pass is used by card cheats too but quite seldom as it is like u said quite risky, its known as hopping the deck in the card cheating realm. And its basically used to nullify a cut after stacking the deck or what ever u done to it. One last thing to add, you can actually misdirect when card cheating. Misdirection is known to card cheats as shade.

I use pass most of the time, but only some passes. To get the card to the top is its primary purpose. Other than that, it gives a thought that the card is still in the center. Then when you shuffle the deck, the layman will feel that you might have shuffle to the top.

This is what i think about the pass.

David Kim

Hmm, passes. I'll use them as a last resort etc. My passes aren't that strong yet... ^_^

i think the pass is the million dollar move to be mastered by all cardicians.

Yes, of cos, i did not say thaat a pass cannot be done without misdirection. But, it would be a breeze if you are to misdirect.

And yes of cos, the pass is not used so much in gambling, and come on, if you're gonna play with MONEY, i'm not talking about some card games where you play just for fun, people WILL burn your hands. And yes, there are many passes for gambling like, the table tap pass and so on, but i'm not a cheater.

Hmmm, interesting, i never thought you will be able to misdirect during card cheating, would it be like 'opps. i dropped some poker chips' then you pick them up and do the pass? :D

a simple gesture of ashing a cigarette is enough to make a pass go unseen. In fact misdirection or shade is so very important in card cheating, some cheats(the good ones) are able to switch the whole damn deck without people noticing and with people burning your hands. woops going off topic :g:

Ohhh ya ya. Geez, yes yes. Another act like picking up a cup of water to drink also can misdirect and cover your pass. But, my advise is, do not cheat when gambling.

i do use the pass. it is a great move. however, if the person is burning my hands, i would rather do a do**** under*** and be done with it.

The pass is a SUPER GREAT MOVE, if done correctly. No one can even catch it, some people do the pass and they are great in it.

E.g:

Not in any special order

Jeremy Tan

Huron

Wei Ping

These 3 are currently the best pass i have ever seen, smooth, fast and powerful. I know they are doing it, but i can't even see whats going on man. ~

You missed out Bone, the granddaddy of 'em all...

C.

AWWWW... Can kill myself, i forgot about Bone...

Yea.. + 1

BONE !

:rolleyes:


Best I seen doing the pass are Randy Wakeman and Richard Kaufman.
Of cos there are plenty more out there.

i think the pass rocks..sumthing i like to add to the ambitious card routine...laymen get freaked out after they think they got my ACR completely figured out(altho most of the time dey are wrong) i've learnt a few good passes from edward marlo's cardician dvd

they are :
table edge pass
tap end pass
dribble pass
combination pass

i also learnt the ellusionist pass here in singapore from solomon..and another pass from daniel( as u can see i love going to shops)

i actually wanna get ninja 1..looks kinda cooll...but dunno the price here in singapore ...and magic exchange didnt have it when i went down...anybody selling :P

i like the invisible pass...very easy and hard to notice... I also like the one where you tap the decks on the table or lap(table tap ar?), but it's a bit suspicious especially when people are staring at your hands....

i love riffle pass. it gets astounding reactions.

Passes are great, except for one flaw...

I

can't

do

them.

I f*cked up the learning of the basics, so now all my passes am teh SCREWED. I'm just sticking to controls and bluff replacements for now, they seem to fit my style better.

Now you know :(

-Kev

I've never met huron before. I love pass kings. Hmmm hope to see him some day.

damn. so many Names for Passes. Well, i do passes. and love it. keep goin around and watching ppl doin their pass.

definately, jeremy tan's pass is hell good. wei ping's one too. but technique is very diff.

share ur passes with me. i'll be glad to see them =)

I do the classic pass all the time, especialy when doing card to mouth or card to impossible location, for my pass, i use a lot of misdirection, my pass isn't that beautiful, so misdirection helps me get away with it. Works all the time.

Cheers...

the pass still has an amazing effect using it with ACR..tell the lay people..now i'll do it face up..lose it in a deck..(the pass) and it jumps to the top!!! im so crazy abt the pass because its skill based...its the only one i practise every single day and still not get bored of it..i wanna master it quickly!!!hope to learn the invis pass from my friend soon.

oh if you're doing magic for lay people another great pass is the fan pass it is totally unnoticable and easy to do lol you wont flash at all if you do it right. oh did i mention its simple! you can find info on the fan pass from dante king's stuff.

i feel that im relying too much on the pass, trying hard to force myself to use other forms of control.

but, the pass does come in useful when u need help though...

I cant rely on my pass cause it totally su@ks :( Wish I could tho.

The only time i can do it is when the spectators aren't looking at me and for that matter, i can actually do anything when they aren't looking ( throw the deck away, switch decks, 'pass' the cards around, etc) :P

Guess its back to the practise boards for me!! :lol:

I can do a pass with coins.











































Muscle Pass.

-Kev

passes for blackjacks?

haha....

The pass is THE control if you're talking about actually showing the card and placing it in the middle of the deck, slowly squaring the deck up and having it appear at the top. It works as a totally impossible colour change as well.

If I'm not wrong, Charlie Miller once said that he'd never do a pass if anyone was looking at his hands. I really feel otherwise. In my opinion, the pass is the control to use when people are staring.

About the general passes...

Classic Pass

I use this pass sometimes if I'm aiming for absolute cleanness. Is misdirection needed? Nope. But it would be even more invisible if you put a LITTLE bit of motion into your hands as you do it. I wouldn't call that movement misdirection or 'larger motion covers smaller motion'. It's more of the blending of motion.

Examples of movement are rotating your body slightly towards a spectator if you're performing for a group, or raising your hands if they are too low. However, my pass of choice is... The Riffle Pass.


Riffle Pass

This is the pass I use when people BURN my my hands, and their relentless staring can be encouraged as well. They won't see a thing if the pass is done right.

A few magicians dislike this pass and say "The riffle brings attention to the deck". Damn right it does. But the riffle should be done AT THE SAME TIME as the pass.

Many many magicians riffle the deck like they wanted to tear it into two but lost grip. Try a gentle riffle with your index finger. It works like a charm. If the pass is done correctly, the riffle will subtly hint that nothing happened, rather than make it seem like something did. To a certain extent, a riffle simulates the squaring of a deck and indicates the end of something than the beginning of it.
In other words, the riffle creates a tiny offbeat, and the spectators relax as they see it rather than scrutinize.

It's a challenging pass, but probably the best utility pass around. Why? It's angle free, it's fast, it's clean, and when done face up, it's visual.

Herrmann Pass including Lepaul Spread Pass and Turnover Pass

This pass screams VISUAL!!!
I don't use the herrmann pass as a control unless it's a face up visual one. It's serves as one of the best colour changes out there. The angles have to be right but it is a challenging pass to perform naturally, and not like you slapped half the deck back on.

The Lepaul spread pass is just a pass done as a spread is closed. It's super clean and slays people who think they know a classic pass. It can be done even slower than a herrmann pass and looks so damn clean. One of my favourite controls.

The Turnover Pass is a herrmann pass done as the deck is turned over and it's probably the only herrmann pass that has almost no angle problems and looks completely natural. Some magicians just turn the deck over for no apparent reason. Yes, sometimes a non-chalant motion would suffice, but no harm trying this.

"Your card is not at the top."
-Magicians shows top card-
-Magician does Turnover Pass setup- "Neither is it at the bottom"
-Magician turns the deck over with one hand and shows the bottom card-



This is just a little list of my favourite passes...well another one of my favourite passes is the Reverse Pass... but that's another story. =D

Huron

Haha.. the LEGENDARY reverse pass B)

Hmmm yeah I love the riffle pass. I normally do a cover riffle passes if I don't feel comfortable or confident. Other then that its riffle passes all the way.

see Huron? it IS legendary :P

although I didn't have to remind you about that, did I?

enough questions. my point is, I would like to thank the mod who edited the thread title =) :off:

You're welcome. I'm probably the only one Carzy enough to do it.

-Kev

The pass has alot of variations, each variation has its own advantages in different situations, each situation is based on how you use it. Sometimes you don't have to use it at all, but you can't just forget it. Overall, it is just a tool to create illusion, it serves us, not we.

:blink: ?

My guess is that he is trying to say that the pass is a tool which serves us and not we that serve the pass (wonder how that is possible tho)..argh...very confusing

(notice the face transition when i try to figure it out)

:mellow: :huh: :unsure: :blink: :wacko: :ph43r:

I never tried to make use of the pass (like alot of pp were forced to use it in all cases, in most of the tricks they do). I only use it when it helps me, in some situations only.
Thanks Andy, sorry Daryl

Many pros think pass needs misdirection... what do you think ? sounds like a complete different story, but it's the same you see. Sometimes you do need misdirection, but sometime you just tell them what you gonna do before you do it, and they'll still be shocked by a riffle (for ambitious for color change). That's the point I wanted to talk about, it serves us not we.

Hmmm normally I try do to passes under misdirection. Even though laymen can't see my passes when I do it, I still use misdirection as a back up. B)