Hi Guys:


Just thought of having your opinion as to, say you have performed a trick for someone and that trick is not examinable:

eg. Invisible Deck, Card-toon, Dream of Aces and the like...

How do you prevent your spectators from examining the deck? What if the spectator insists on examining your card? :wacko:

before you do the "un-examinable" trick, do an impromptu or examinable trick first. lyk u can ask a person to examine a deck of cards, normal 1, then carry on with one or two impromptu trick. later, keep the deck and do some coin tricks, then take out the gimmicked deck and carry on. hope this helps.

one more tip, if you are not sure what to do, just dont do the trick !!!

maybe u can switch decks??don't care whether ur audience wants to inspect the deck...jus give him the normal deck to inspect then switch to the 'special' deck...or u can do what lllusion112 had said...wierd..i nv encounter this problem before...i tink it's becos i've already done alot of tricks wit my normal deck(red bicycle)..and my friends have already inspected it thousands of times...so when i bring out my special deck(which is also red bicycle)..they don't suspect anythin wrong..what great memories they have..

In my opinion, switching decks is quite a good option.. just that doing less gimmicked stuff should take the heat off the deck.

I did some ungimmicked stuff to my friends in school, and now they don't suspect the deck anymore, so I can use whatever gimmicks I like. But I still keep another deck to switch it out just in case.

1stly, see if the effect can be ended without examination. (like mental photography, all blank, and u say u need a new deck, so u keep it, and take out a new deck)

if not, try to switch decks if possible. like after an invisible deck, switch deck as they examine the card (for example).

lastly, just move on to another effect and hopefully they will not question its examinability.

Ya.. Agree with gordon. Important thing is the flow of things, if you know that your magic ends with un-examinable things. Dont stop after the trick is over. Keep the deck or cards, then if the audience want to check, u can always take out a normal deck for them. Normally when u kept something, they wont ask for it again.

Well, I wont know it yet. Cause i have really few things that cannot be examine. Normally i just continue another magic or keep the thing.

How should I say hmmm.. it seldom happens lol.. I perfrom till now unless you throw the deck for them to examin or else they won't bother... Maybe that just me lol... But an advice you wan to do things that is un examiable fo it as a opener or a closer.. never do it in the middle of your show... :D

If they want to examine this means the magician did not yet successfully build the credibility and the image as magician,
You need to build that image first,
I agree to start with impromptu effect (borrow a coin from them, or use their business card to perform the effects )
continue with the fully examinable deck, .... and after that ...you have to see their reactions, only if their eyes tell you that they believe in you, everything you say and everything you do, then you switch the deck and you continue .....
whenever possible dont perform effects that other magicians have performed, ...e.g how many magicians have performed invisible deck ?
they might have seen that for 2-3 times or even more, the surprise effect is not strong anymore, they have seen that before, they know what to expect,
build your own trick, or at lest build your own way of presenting the old tricks....


Magical Pam

I don't quiet agree with you to ask people not to perfrom invisble deck althoug many people have perfrom before the trick but.. tell me how may people really remember wat you have perfrom to them... If they remmeber it they only remember you did a good job or a bad perfromance. The truth is that every magician persentaton of the tricks is different so no matter how many time people saw that effect before and such if you presntation is different they will still think is a different effect...

Always remember we perfrom to layman not magician so if there is entertainment value you entertain them they enjoy it you have done your job...

that's why Pam said...

B)
So at least even if you are using the same gimmick, the presentation is different.
And not every magician's presentation is different ;)

hmm I think this is a great topic. Anyway, normally when I use gimmick decks I show as clearly as possible that the cards are normal. I use elmsleys and flourish spins. After I 'show' them that my cards are normal, I do the trick. If, you really find it difficult to do all this stuff, you should get a top-it. You can switch decks really easily with it. Good luck.

Nick.

Well, just be nonchalant about it. I totally agree with what Pam said, if they start questioning you, it means you had failed to convince your role as a magician but instead of a trickster. Hence, they want to check everything. So, i suggest that you could use a normal deck, then keep it do some other objects, then take out the not normal cards.

do you tell or show them that the cards are normal, or you just do some cuts and flourishes?

Well, telling them its normal, makes it seem abnormal. So no need to over prove your point. Just be causal like what i said.

Illusion112, when i said that I 'show' them that the cards are normal I meant that I do flustration counts and you know, the usual false counts or whatever. I forgot what they're called. Woops.

1) Initially, use a normal deck. Establish yourself so they have the impression you can do 'anything with cards'.

2) You don't have to do a deck switch. You can use a blatant one if you have established yourself as a performer. Changin one deck for the next adds to professionalism as one deck gets 'sticky'. I've done this with the invisible deck and radar deck and no one EVER suspects a gimmick.

3) Sometimes, some effects just seem too impossible to have been done with sleight of hand. Design your presentation as such to change the object of focus to something that is completely examinable. This way, the gimmick can be lying on the table, but people will pick up everything but that particular object.

4) Perform gimmicked effects that are examinable at the end. Or, just design effects that you do so you don't have to use a gimmick at all. One PERFECT example that i perform ALL THE TIME... Kevin's Re-turn of the Kings. It's an ungimmicked version of NFW. IT IS SO SUPER STRONG.

5) If you can't help it then use a 'proper' deck switch. I like Greg Wilson's one. Tommy Wonder supposedly has a fantastic one as well. But usually just switching it out on the offbeat when it's in your pocket is the best way. Gimmicks for deck switches like deck shells work well... but in my opinion it's just overkill.

YEAP!! I'm darned sleepy now. So toodles.

Huron

blackwing, i dont recommend showing them that the deck is normal, this will creat suspicion.

The best is to do a borrowed deck trick,or if dun have, take out a deck and tell them that they are at will to check the deck and shuffle the deck. So your first trick can be a shuffle deck trick. After then u continue and do a switch in the middle, while they are reacting to ur magic. If your magic is not strong enough, best to stop it there and go home and think about the effect.

My thoughts.

I personally feel that if the audiences are really entertained by the trick, they won't bother to examine the deck. Unless you're performing to a bunch of big ego hecklers who just don't believe in magic and wants to expose you regardless of the entertainment values.

So my advice is, do not perform to such hecklers and things will turn out just fine.

if you face hecklers, my opinion is to do mentalism and psychic stuff to them, you will sure fire them!

wierd, i dont understand why hecklers belief in psychics but not magic. lol.

I'd usually just Make my self look very excited about the next thing..
and force them to watch me do it first.. They will soon forget about the previous trick ;)