Hi Guys:


I wonder if you have heard of a type of force which, the "forcer" can tell u right before hand what card u are going to choose and you will still choose that card?

In addition:

1) No matter how many times you choose, you will still choose the same card
2) You can take your sweet time to hover your finger over the spread, then
when you choose, it will still be the force card
3) You can change your mind and select another card, it will still be the force card
3) The deck is not gimmicked, no gimmick is involved
4) You can even pass your own deck to the "Forcer" and he will make you choose
that card

In short:

The "forcer" can fool you multiple times even if you know you are being forced!

Sounds interesting right?
Check out this link for more info:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtop...431&forum=37&46

hahaha..... :lol:

yo ur link not working leh... and i searched for "Idiosyncratic Force" on MC's forums no results

if done well, classic force can be done like that too.

and i havent heard of that force, nor able to find it on MC or anywhere...

i think is classic because i somehow can do it with classic

Guys:


This force works in such a way that no matter which card you choose, you will still choose the same card.

You are allowed to hover your finger on the spread. Even if you initially wanted to choose A card, but you change your mind to B card, and then you change your mind again to choose C card, and eventually you select D card, you will still get the card which the "forcer" wants you to choose...

The experience was:

"He spread the cards, and then allowed me to HOVER over the spread with my pinched thumb and forefinger, until I visually decided on one card in the spread, and I then was allowed to grasp that card with my thumb and forefinger and freely remove it from the spread. Period. NO timing thing as in your standard classic force.

I was allowed to take all the time I wanted and pinch anywhere in the spread. High, middle, or bottom"


According to the magician who is currently learning the force, this force needs to be learnt in person, and it involves the element of "breathing"...

The "forcer" currently lives in Michigan (Kalamazoo), name: "Tony Gerard", operates a Magic Shop, name of this shop "Timid Rabbit".

Accroding to one magician:

"If you ever met Tony (He's a FFFF member) I'd suggest you approach him and tell him you heard about his force. He'd usually be happy to demonstrate"

If you guys happen to travel to Kalamazoo, Michigan, may be you would like to check out Tony? :P

Well a one way force deck isn't exactly gimmicked... but the Classic Force is still my best friend.

Huron

Well,i dont really know how to use the classic force,i cant seems to misdirect my spectators and make them choose e card...aarrrgggh troublesome spectators

Well, you dont misdirect your spectator while using the classic force. You need to know about the psychology and doing it on the off beat.

Kevin shows us before his "deck" right... haha... 52 cards all 2 of Hearts....

no matter what he pick, it's 2 of Hearts.

:off: :off: :off: :!!:

Kevin is the man le.. Haha, i modified his method of trick and using also the jason's trick to form a routine.

Hehe, can be powerful plus comedy. Anyway, if the force becomes too powerful, people will think that the deck got problem. And you prove to them that the deck is ok, then they say u did something to the deck. And then u do something again. It goes on and on.

Like the mental magic that Pam did, it is so powerful that people think he has set up assistant inside the audience and so on. So if the force become so powerful, you have to know how to handle the audience after that.

Hope you guys understand what i mean.. :)

i think a classic force is good enuf. esepcially if u can do it really well. u can force magicians too wif the magician knowing u're forcing a card. zhuanan, if u ever met huron, ask him to show u. it'l fool the s**t out of u.

If you saw Greg Wilson's "G Force" from his video Card Stunts, you could basically pull off the exact same thing... plus Paul Green goes through the whole "zen" thing in his Classic Force video. H. does some pretty similar stuff too.

I may be heading over to Ann Arbor this winter or something to check out the UMich campus, so I guess I could look out for the guy...

C.

The idiosyncratic force sounds cool and may be used as an effect itself! hmm, but for a force, the classic force, riffle force and another optional force of choice should suffice. right?

unless u have sufficient reason/motivation to have a card selected in 3 different ways...

I don't think the method of selection of a card is an issue to laymen. IMO it adds variety and might make it even more impossible. I believe the classic force works just as well as the 'idiosyncratic force' if you can direct your audience.

Huron

Yes.

This guy fooled the farting shit out of me.

My pleasure Seng Hoe. Haha...
Well read CLJ's post regarding Paul Green and his Zen technique.
The Zen is when, after multiple classic forces of the same card, the spectator grabs the top card and still picks the force card.

This isn't for everyone because there's no real way to do it, but more of a feeling that comes with experience, thus the name "Zen".
I hit it about 90% of the time, till I developed a subtlety to hit it 100%, at any desired point of my routine.

Huron