Erm...can anyone tell me what card effects are magician foolers?

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Do your own research. Too many too name.

Being a kind soul that I am... here is where you can get effects to fool your fellow magi friends:

Jayded Magic by J10

All Card Routines by MF

So quickly get them when they come out. And don't just buy 1 copy of each, buy 3 copies of each just in case you lost the other 2.

ZzaG

NICE one.

I think the best magician fooler is the AMBITIOUS CARD Routine.

Hey, dun underestimate this routine. Haha, Show their card is signed and then u put it into the deck, and a click, their card disappear into THIN AIR.

No one will be able to explain the disappear, start cleans, end cleans. Somemore signed card. :P

Appearing card magic. You take a pile of 1000 cards and pace it on the table. After you snap your fingers and count the cards, there is now 1001 cards in that pile of cards. Magic.

Err? Is that a joke or? Ok , I will get into the topic. I think the passes are magician fooling. Becoz not all magician knows the pass. And if you know some of the pass , you can invent your own passes. The pass is about the concept. So , if you know the concept , you can invent your own passes in a breeze. And , LarryDk , I dun think ACR are magician fooling. Most magicians knows the DL and most acr uses DL. But there are some acr that can fool some lay men of some magicians. And that is the Braue Pop-Up move! That trick blaine does! Lol. Have Fun.

Oh that is something interesting. THE PASSES!!!!

Ya, my bus pass, membership pass will fool those magicians around. Haha!!! :D

NO, passes are not magicians fooler and if u are a card man and dun know what is a pass, then u have to start looking for it man. Or else, no no for a card magician.

And ACR can be a magician fooler. U should try BlackWing. People keep thinking that ACR is all abt DL DL DL DL.. NO!!! if u think that way, then sorry, u still live in the ellusionist world. There are ACR that is more than juz DL.

Justin(BuaYa) Did face up ACR before? Even Seen tat? Hai.. Lots to learn man.

Totally agree with that. How can a pass fool any magician? To be honest I think evey magician should know passes, cuts that gives proper card control.

I think the pop up move is overrated thaddeus, it can at most baffle lay people. Magicians who have enough experience will certainly know how it is done. Perhaps what would interest them would be the method and/or technique used in executing the move.

Haha. That was nothing la. Hahaha.

That's not a joke... someone showed it to me once and I nearly cried afterwards....

Why?

He performed it to me at McDonalds... and I was totally stunned when the 1001 cards appeared all over the table and floor... Well I'm not sure if there's 1001 but who can count that much cards anyway???

And the worst part, the evil guy just walked away when i was in a state of shock and left me there alone with a thousand cards on the table......









and i had to clean the whole place up later after i received scolding from the manager of mcdonalds..... :(

well.. he's not wrong to say passes can be a magician fooler thingy.

everything trick can be magician fooler, that depends on which magician u r doing to.

Larry, do a dl acr or pass for thaddeus, he'll probably get fooled. lol.

Err... May I ask why do you wan a effect to fool magician when your audience is layman??? I will just stick to effect that will entertain my audience and when they look at my perfromance they are happy and enjoy it... I can't understand y magician fooler?? Do you thing in a perfromance you are performing to a magician or lay man?? Magician fooler is only for competition maybe.. but as I know in competiton they don't rate your effect if you fool magician or not instate is your technic, skills and showmanship...

he wanna fool magician and u guys goes like "this guy is great!"

something like this? fooling magicians make him happy uhhhh

Ok I'll answer this guy first.

In my opinion magician foolers aren't tricks which you get from a booklet which says ' magician foolers '. Seriously, I think the words ' magician fooler ' on booklets are just a marketing scheme. If I buy the booklet, and every other magician in Singapore buys the booklet, does that mean its still a magician fooler?

Magician foolers are tricks which YOU have to create yourself. You have to create original sleights or principles and come up with a routine for it. Thats the only way its ever going to fool magicians.

However, I think it isn't really important to fool magicians ( unless you enter a competition ). You should let your audience experience the magic that you can do. Laypeople, do it on them. They'll get a warm fuzzy feeling after you perform to them ( if you perform well ).

Clap Clap Clap,

Good reply. Ahh.. Very rare to see blackwing talk so much. But the moment he open his mouth, all the godly words comes out.. Hehe..

You don't have to create original sleights or principles.

Just use a combination of them.

Sleights and principles revolve around each other. Its the applications that count. Its pretty rare for a new sleight or principle to pop up nowsadays.

Old sleights and principles put together in an appriopriate fashion will be a magician's fooler.

Just take a look at how Daniel Garcia applied some standard sleights and principles to create a new triumph effect with a magician's fooler kicker ending. Nacho Momma’s Triumph.

If you haven't already known the effect, you would probably be fried the first time you see it.

Old effects with a kicker always hit hard because magicians think "Not again. I have seen this a million times". Before they can react, WHAM!

Very True! i agree with both blackwing and exohordon =)

There are 2 ways to fool a magician in my opinion:

1)Is to use self created or really new sleights in your effects, properly practised, polished and incoporated with suitable presentation.

2)is to use very very old techniques that everyone has forgotten and use it! (nah i'm jus joking) its to blend a mixture of sleights and creating a whole new routine, presenting it in a way that hasn't been done before.

p.s: btw thad i can tell you that any experienced magician will know a pass and varieties of the pass. You can't fool magicians with a pass, you can only impress with the perfection of ur pass. Btw ACR ain't all aboult DL.

it's been a mighty long time since i've been fooled by a magic effect. i think i can be a professional heckler now. No magicians can own me.

if you think you can, i'd like to meet you. Please.

Thanks,
ZzaG
*i miss the feeling of astonishment* :(

we know so little......

uh.?

I think you don't need to do any trick to fool magicians. Just ask a
question like "what card effects are magician foolers?" and you will
get all of them fooled.
Why the hell will you want to do a trick that only fool magicians
when performing a good trick to fool lay people is good enough
reason to learn that particular trick.
Is it an ego thing? How many magicians do you know and are eager
to watch you perform, unless you are Lee Asher then it's a different
story.

The reason why I prefer magician foolers is simple. There are so many magicians in Singapore, and half the laymen here know what's a DL.

If it can fool a magician, it sure can fool a layman.

Well there's a slight problem actually. Some magician foolers don't really impress laymen. Think about the trick 'Underground'. Its a magician fooler, but the effect ain't that good.

It can be used in routines but if you perform as exactly what the thing says from the manual, the effect ain't good. But, its still a magician fooler ain't it?

I don't see what is your point. Are you just bragging or are you saying you're a magician who can't do what he knows, and therefore became a heckler? I don't get it.

so have u count how many magician been fooled by u. B) u little evil. ha...ha... no magician will be fool but just been treated. B)

To me magicians are people who dedicate their time and effort to practising and perfecting their skills. Presenting in many different ways, impacting people (laymen), facinating and mesmerizing them. Leaving them feeling astonished, like a newborn, curious and craving for knowledge. Leaving smiles on their faces.

Why become heckler and spoil things?

Even if half the people know DL, it doesnt mean half the tricks in e world includes DL. Which means u have the other half of the tricks in the world for u to present =)

Show me the anti faro some other day.






If you know what that is.

I don't really understand ZzaG's post. But my guess is that he was quoting someone. Maybe he can clarify?

*J10 thinks: Anti Faro...*
*Shiver...*

okay i guess my joke was not funny. well, since it's not funny, then i guess it's not a joke anymore. but i'll try to explain my weird sense of humor across to you guys:

what i was trying to say is that i've not come across any card effect that has fooled me in a very long time. so this enables me to become a professional heckler which is different from the regular heckler you perform to all the time!

get the joke now??? if not, too bad because you missed out.

and this joke was supposed to trigger a response from you magicians to prove to me that you have a card effect that can fool my pants off. I'd be delighted to experience the feeling of astonishment again. But i guess i triggered a different type of response such as:

Hello Alexander. I do know what an anti faro is. The question is "Why would you want to see me do it?"

It's just a boring process of dealing cards onto a table. At least that is what I know. Unless you meant doing faros 8 times to negate itself?

Well if there's another method of doing an antifaro which is supposed to impress or fool magicians, I'd like to see it :)


Thanks, I hope that clarified everything.
ZzaG

Edit: I think i finally understood why Alexander posted that challenge to me. Is it because you think I'm bragging? If so I apologise and I hope this post clears everything up. Though I really don't see why an anti-faro is so cool. I guess it must be my ignorance to those hard-to-do card sleights. Actually, I have executed the out-antifaro-4 once before in front of real spectators just the day after i learnt about its existence. All you need to work on is your patter, really.

Anti faros are not done on the table.
That's a table faro.

Here's a demo on anti faro:
http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~beh...hr_antifaro.WMV

Its an odd knack.

Since we're talking about faros, here's something interesting.
If you were to split a deck into 35 and 17, it would take 19380 Out Faro Top to reset the deck.

OutFaro Top:The cut block is OutFaro'd with the weave starting at the top of the deck.

Wonder if someone was to accomplish the feat, would it go into the Guiness Book Of Records.

ZzaG wanna give it a shot? Just joking in case ppl don't take it as a joke.

First, the video link is not working.

Second, if i don't take it as a joke, then i don't care if you're joking or not.

Please refrain from flaming other people.

Thanks,
ZzaG

The link has been corrected.

I don't understand why u said I am flaming you.
Which line indicated that?

I have nothing against you at all.

The line i quoted. Ahh well it's just the way you phrased your sentence i guess. No harm done. Sorry for my rash post. I'm quite tired after my unsuccessful shopping trip today :P

:off: anyone knows where to get good shoes at good prices?


Anyway so that's an Antifaro. Look awesome. Thanks for the video exohordon. this is 1 amazing sleight.

Guess my joke worked according to plan :D . I discovered a beautiful sleight at 1am today haha.

Thanks Alexander and exohordon,
ZzaG

haha and i better clear this up...

I did not do 4 antifaros... I guess i did a move that achieves the same results as 4 antifaros by dealing the cards onto the table.

I won't reveal more because that will be exposure.

ZzaG

I did a search and this is what I gathered.

There are two sleights called the anti-faro. The first was created by Juan Tamariz and is explained in Sonata and Mnemonica. It is a system of dealing cards on the table in order to reverse pretty much any number of faros you would like. The other version was created by Christian Engblom and is a way of springing cards onto the palm of the hand in order to reverse a faro shuffle.

I stand corrected.

I've seen Christian Engbloom done it live. It was so amazing. Very, very tough to do.

Yes i was refering to the one by Christian Engbloom. Its probably the sickest card sleight, but darn useless as well.

Well, I did say 'fool', not 'impress'. Though that's not the point of my kind of magic anyway.