Hey... Anyone know a good resource to learn card cheating? Preferably a dvd... not to cheat anyone of coz for like demonstration....

Card Shark is a good one.

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how bout weapons of a card shark....

am pretty beginner at this soo... yeah... i need good teaching...

Martin Nash
Fernando Keops
Darwin Ortiz

Take your pick.

i saw one at penguin call 'card sharp' ... the demo looks good...

If you are refering to Card Sharp by Brian Tudor, I would recommend that you give it a miss.

Expert at the Card Table

and check out some Larry Jennings books/dvds


actually, magic can be presented as a gambling demonstration, so u do not need to specially learn how to cheat (unless its really for money, cos that has extra non-sleight methods).

take the ACR for example, u can patter about how gamblers, even after the card is lost into the deck, they still can have the card under their control and take it from the top. SO, instead of a magical effect, now, the effect to the audience is that you can control the card invisibly (which is what they expect an expert cheat to be able to do). U can even give the deck a false shuffle before you reveal the card to show how you can even control the cards as they are being shuffled.

there are many magic effects that can be presented like gambling demonstrations. Especially those that require dealings, spectator shuffling, etc.

u can even just take an idea from erdnase book and present it as a single demonstration (eg. 2nd deal). u can even expose the 2nd deal, then later offer to show it at real speed. u can then combine it with DLs, then u take the top card, but show that the card is still on top of the deck, cos u "took the 2nd card". this should floor them.

oh? is not good?? thanks for the info! i was quite interested in that as i thought it looks pretty good..

I highly recommend Expert at the Card Table by Darwin Ortiz. And also if you wont mind a video performance go for The Cheat by Richard Tuner. ;)

Ya.. I recommend the video of "The Cheat by Richard Tuner". It is a good video too!

hey how about "the art of cheating at card" by simon lovell vol1and2 ?
i hear many good thing about simon lovell.

Scams and Fantasies with Cards. But Darwin Ortiz's teaching puts me to sleep.

Ermm..This one i am not really sure because i don't own it. Maybe you can try to ask other members here? :rolleyes:

I think that the Brian Tudor one looks fine of good to me :)

Erm, any of you guys have more information on where to get "The Cheat by Richard Tuner" and Darwin Otiz's Card at a table"? In addtion to that, why is "Card Shark" no good?

Why must I tell you?

:rolleyes:

Joking aside, I learned my "cheating" technique from Erdnase's book.

personally i only have the "Weapons of the Card Shark".

I think it's pretty good. It touches on several blind, false shuffles. False cuts, passes, second/bottom dealing, glimpses, mucking...

however some of the moves mentioned are not taught thoroughly enough for my standards. However, you can surely figure this out with some hands on and trying different grips and stuff.

It seems that to be a cheat, most of the time you're the dealer as well. This is what i get from the sense of this DVD. In fact, only mucking is your only weapon as a player, if memory serves me well. But you can't use it in many situations.

This DVD talks more on the INDIVIDUAL card cheater as opposed to the famous and usually used grouped set-ups. I guess you'll find what you want here if you're looking to demonstrate.

Hope this helps.

i have learned from steve forte tapes and the expert at the card table.

Saw from other reviews saying the guy on weapons of card shark is a super bore? Is that true? does he teach well in the video thou?

Hello,
When learning card cheating moves. It is best to learn from the best in the field. Card cheating moves rank as one of the most difficult moves you can ever learn and might take many months if not years to master (e.g able to execute under fire). False deals & shuffles, hopping the deck, stacking, mucking, shuffle tracking, etc...
People like steve forte, darwin ortiz, ed marlo, richard turner probably ranks as the leading exponents and are very well established in this field. No point learning from any other sources as you require very detailed instructions and a lot of practice...... they themselves probably learnt from the masters as well. In fact, if you know anyone who can do any particular move under fire, just learn from them. These kind of things are learnt best under the some form of tutelage. Even Dai vernon, during his hey days, went around to consult ppl who are best in this or that type of card cheating move. Hope this helps...

Gambling sleights are under a small and often unappreciated brand of magic. So unless your planning to use them to cheat ignorant friends out of their money in private games, be sure of what your getting into.

Most gambling sleights were created to be invisible on the card table - they weren't meant to looked at directly - and very often, misdirection is also required. Therefore when used as magic it just doesn't pack the same punch as the more visual types of card magic there are.

With that said, I think Jeff Wessmiller's DVD Weapons of a Card Shark is good material to start with. After that you can try to get some material from Edward Marlo and Dai Vernon. Their manuscripts which are pretty rare to find now are said to be very good like 'seconds, centres and bottoms' by Ed Marlo and 'Revelations'(Dai Vernon's own annotated version of Erdnase's book," the expert at the card table"). You probably won't be able to find them anymore so you can just purchase their DVDs "the cardician' and 'the legend' by Ed Marlo and certain DVDs from Dai Vernon's Revelations DVD series.

As for Simon Lovell, Martin Nash and Fernando Keops, I don't have their material so I can't justly recommend them or not.

And for Brian Tudor's DVD,"card sharp" the reason why it can't be recommended is because firstly the running time for the dvd is approximately 30 mins, his teaching is said to be extremely cursory and his attitude reluctant to teach.

I hope I could be of help

Never heard of these grouped set-ups. Where can I find more info about it?

Some informative books chronicling the history of card cheats, i think there are quite a few though the are pretty old now.

I can't remember now what those books are... but i think there are typically several ways to collude in a card game.

There is the player - player collusion where they secretly tell each other their cards and so can make better judgements on whether to fold or to raise. This is particularly effective because knowledge of cards held tells the cheaters what cards their opponents possibly have, and this coupled with the face -up cards like in texas holdem really tells the cheats if they can win that round or not.

Then theres the dealer - player collusion. The dealer of course always giving the player the best hand using discard stacking, false shuffling and cutting etc.

And then theres also the dealer - player collusion 2, where the dealer glimpses the cards when shuffling and remembers the cards of all the players he deals to. Then he gives signals to his partner as to whether he can win with his hand or not.

There are many other grouped set-ups, and most of their methods can be derived from common sense. sometimes they work in groups as large as 4 or 5 , where one of them goes around town scouting for targets, befriends them, brings them to a bar to meet another colluder - they talk and decide to play a round of poker, then 2 of the other colluders appear as strangers who want in on the game and they play, they let the victim win a few times first to gain his confidence, then they strike.