has anyone here heard of subterfuge?
could you give a review on it? looks good.. might be planning to get it..

for those that dont know what it is..

subterfuge

the "system" is that r*** isn't it?

similar to that con thru glass thing by E? can anybody give their review? :)

more like the M5 system in ellusionist...

its not like the coing thru glass but u can use it to do that effect.

and

its like an m5 ring... i mean its a ring with the same amount of power as the m5.. isnt that like good?

[edit] oh wait hang on.. the ring is not... just read the faqs

but its too expensive..

anybody or dealers who have this, care to give a review?

thanks

haha the subterfuge website said something about moving objects, stopping watches etc etc... thats why i thought of M5... its not magnetic :blink:

the ring itself isnt magnetic..

Guys, the question was, "any review?" Not "Let's guess the method".

Anyway, this is a very clever utility. Its not just for vanishes. When you buy the set, you can get registered in the forum and find out more uses for it.

The set up is fast and easy, reset is instant. This device can replace the Raven. However, the ring that comes with it has only too sizes, for me, the small size is too small and the big size is too big (but still usable).

Can't say too much about this item without risking exposure.

are we going into methods? i dont think so..

i just said the ring is not magnetic.. which is stated in the site itself...

u own 1 rite magicdow? are u selling?

I carry and own this product.
Its a utility item not limited to just vanishes.
Lots of other interesting effects can be achieved with this.

Those who are interested in purchasing this can Pm me for details.

Thanks.

Almost.

I have it but I'm not selling it at the moment. The method is ingenious.

is there a way to reduce the size of the ring?

i read in the FAQ that it is possible, but i wonder if there is a similar one in Singapore

I bought the SMS,highly recommended by me. It kicks the Raven , Bat , M5(maybe) in the butt. :D






verdict:// get it now!

any dealer can get it for me - the shipping ?

<_<

:wub: sorrry never saw it

SMS? what's SMS?

SMS is Subterfuge Magic System.
Subterfuge Magic - Clicky Clicky

Just a question. Can SMS use with local coins? what other effects can the SMS perform. anyone care to share ?

nope u cant,the sms can do stuff like small item vanishes and PK (psycho kinesis)

thats all? man... cant use local coins..

Local coins can be used so long as you prepare them, aka you cannot borrow a coin from a spectator for your effect.

vanish you cant use local coins. PK can use local coins? i heard it can perform coin thru glass right (with local coins)? anyone can list the effects that can be achieve?

Can you list all the effects you can do with a TT?
What about a deck of cards? What can you do with a deck of cards?

It's an utility item, it's uses are limited only by your own imagination....

I beg to differ on your statement. As mentioned in my earlier post, so long as you prepare the local coins prior to performance, you are able to vanish it as well.

With regards to your other questions, I'm sure Aloy has given you a clean and clear cut answer. How many songs can you play with the piano presented to you? :)

just got my SMS a few days ago, when I opened the package and I was like, what?! Wasn't expecting anything like this at all, but after going on with the DVD and some testing, I started to think that it could possibly be one of the easiest and effective method of vanishing small objects.. to some extend.. have yet to try it out for real yet as the ring that came could not fit my small fingers.. grrr... still searching for the correct size..

By the way, SMS is not just about vanishing items..it can do effects like coin matrix.. (something in that direction)

Just my 2 cents.... :)

to what i know, its not a trick, its a system. and using the system, you can come up alot of routine..

no bullshit the method is fantastic, the ring itself can be examined not magnetic at all. in my opinion the method is not entirely original(the americans are famous for thaking an idea and making it better) the first time i come across this is through a taiwan product, forgot the name but it is a tie gimmick coin vanisher super clean but not very practical. then i think they combined it with raven, now its a killer effect!! two thumbs up!! throw away your ravens boyz

Nice.. I getting it by this week before the sales end. will post up a review once i got the product. ;)

vanish items as in both metal and non-metal things??

e.g. can it vanish a toothpick, dice?

Its possible. Sorry, can't be too clear on that without leading to exposure.