I can do the startign sequence of bad habit, but i just can close it at the end where the index streches to contact the packet and bring it to the bottom, i always drop the deck.. any pointers :unsure:

It's a very knacky move, eh? I gave up practicing it last year until I saw Kev and Bone do it at the beginning of this year, which then re-inspired me to practice it (though it may still look like crap now ;) ). Anyways, the only few tips I can think of now to help you are:

- Using your left ring finger to kick up the packet in the left hand mechanics grip helps to alleviate the swivelling of the right hand packet to the bottom.

- when you do the bad habit, the main motion is the pivoting of the right hand wrist and not the left hand index finger. Which means, when you do the swivelling part, by extending out your left index finger to contact the back of the right hand packet, your right hand wrist pivots downwards, and NOT your index finger swivelling it forward. The packet should automatically swivel to the bottom.

- the packet that will always seem to drop the most initially when practicing the move is the packet in-between the two thumbs of each hand. So what helps is putting a slight amount of pressure with both thumbs on each end of this packet. (don't know if that made sense)

- the right hand packet that is swivelled to the bottom of the left hand packet does not swivel OVER your left ring finger which a lot of people seem to do. In other words when it is pivoted to the bottom, it does not ride over your left ring finger which is kicking up the left hand packet. It goes in front of the finger.

- extend out your left index finger and middle finger as much as possible when doing BH, not just your left index finger. Your left middle finger helps to provide a stable grip for the packet that is being swivelled to the bottom. I.E when the packet is pivoted off to the bottom, your extended middle finger can actually contact the right LONG edge of this packet and provide a steady grip for it. (whereas this would not be possible if you just extended out your index finger)

- dropping a lot of cards is natural. Thank gravity for that. So just keep on practicing and ignore those damn cards that dropped. In time that will stop.

- Practice.

- Watch bone's, Kevin's, the Bucks' and Tudor's videos 999999 times.

And for any more help if this was too vague/too hard to understand, well, then you'll just have to meet up with one of us sometime to get the help you need. ;)

AHAHAHHAAHA... I R L337 haXX0r!!

You'll need to work on this, a LOT. Took me 2 whole weeks to get down.. which is a long time for me.

Also, get help from Huron. His is the best I've EVER seen. Ever.

-Kev

I R L337 haXXor!?
WTF has that to do with this?
I R /\/\@|\|!

guys i just amstered it but i cant do it smooth pls provide some more information mand.... haha

EXPOSURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

Just keep practicing. This doesnt come fast for anyone.. Edwin took awhile too but i think he can get it now.. PRACTICE! No amount of tips will make you get this instantly.

You "mastered" it yet you can't do it smoothly? Something doesn't sound right there... :mellow:

Anyway, I've given you all the tips I can think of (and then some), and I really think it's all just practice from here if you've got down the feel of the move.

haha. thanks guys.. i can get it down but it hits my left ring finger... nvm .. i would show u guys during the outing if u dun get wat i mean. :o

Not sure if anyone WOULD teach it to you, though... the curse of the monkey's paw belays upon those who are uncapable of excecuting the move with great percision :blink:

-Kev

LOL.. haha.. nvm.... :wacko:

didn't i already cover this in my previous post? (look at #04)

i think i'll try to explain it more clearly one more time - after which, you're going to have to resort to tip #08 from my previous post which is for those desperate mofos, and MUCH, MUCH more of tip #07. ;)

Your left ring finger kicks up the left hand packet, like BH requires you to do. Your left index finger pivots the top right hand packet in biddle grip off the right middle finger to the bottom of the left hand-kicked-up packet. During this, the packet does NOT ride over the left ring finger. The packet is swivelled IN FRONT of the ring finger and not over it. meaning that as the right hand packet is swivelled 180 degrees to the bottom, the back short edge of this packet goes in front of the ring finger instead of riding over it.

Also, your left index AND middle finger are outstretched (some people only stretch out their index finger). The left index finger provides the swivel, while the middle finger provides the surface to hold the swivelled packet and keep it in a stable grip. The moment the left hand fingers(the index and middle finger) have a firm grip on the swivelled packet, your right hand can release this packet (i.e. release the packet's contact with the right middle finger). After that it's pretty darn easy to just square up the *slightly* displaced packet (that was just swivelled to the bottom) with the top part of the left hand packet, by relaxing your left ring finger and squaring everything up as you go into whatever close you want.

if you STILL can't understand after all that...um, you don't deserve to learn the move. :P

With Chris's Explanation.. even phoenixsam can do the Bad habit now with his one hand left(if its not yet recovered) :D
Who needs tudor and his teaching when you have Chris? ;)
I think at the gathering.. the whole of SMC would be doing bad habits with ease.. :blink:

Thanks Chris... haha.. I agree ... Heng i Sort of Master liao... lol ^_^

Someone wanna move this to the flourish section now that we have one? :mellow:

Woo HOO! I did it! My first Bad habit! hhahaa.. First successful.. thanks for the advice.. haha.. like Seng Hoe.. i always drop the packets before i finished.