Regret to announce that Cadbury and Zomaziz will be suspended for 180 days each for selling pirated videos. And their post counts reduced to 0.

PLEASE guys.

I don't think our rules are very difficult to follow. Please respect us and we will respect you too.

Ouch.

But Cadbury currently are in the midst of a role as a dealer from E, and lots of people from SMC have ordered stuffs from him.

Zhe3 Me4 Ban4? :wacko:

I'm sorry, but the current split spades deal will be called off.

Aloy,

is it all right if you at least let him continue with the Split Spades deal? He has already ordered the stuffs..if you call off the deal, what is he going to do with so many decks.

And each is $15..that's alot of money cadbury has put in.

considering he gathered orders the moment the new decks are release. I personally feel that it is a goodwill action by him.

I'm not siding with anyone, but i believe everyone who ordered the decks wants it, including myself and cancelling the order will only bring inconvieniece to everyone.

I hope you can be flexible in this issue, at least let him complete the deal first.

He has not confirmed the order, I think. He is still able to cancel it.

Zomaziz has no excuse because he has been in the forums for quite long already. But Cadbury is even worse...

He calls himself a magic dealer, so a lot of people will be looking for him for magic related items. And he sells pirated VCDS. If I let it slide, would it be fair to the other dealers who stuck by their principles and sell originals while he is selling pirated videos at 1/5 the price?

And i haven't seen indication that he has already placed the order in the Marketplace thread.
How you know he has ordered the cards?

Okay, cadbury no doubt flouted the rules. However im asking you to be understanding and please pospone the ban until the split spades deal is over. The decks are of limited edition and im sure they are selling fast. I doubt this will ever be sold again. Why not let him do us one last favor? And please take into account all the help he has given us by acting as a middleman. How much easier has life become? Please dont ban him just by this one incident. He probably made a rash decision and is regretting it now. Thanks.

-Keith

Ok...here's how it is.
Getting it from Cadbury was not getting it any cheaper than getting it straight from Ellusionist. The only difference is probably just save on shipping.

If anyone is willing to take over the order, i.e. you order from ellusionist and then sell it to all the people for US$7.99, I can release the initial order list to the person to save everyone from re-entering their orders in a different thread again.
For security sake, only old forumites or those in the orders list can ask to do this.

The person ordering can make USD$1 per deck because if you order in packs of 12, the order price is USD$6.99 per deck. The order was for 48 decks so can make USD$48 from this one order, abt SGD$80. Of course then, the people ordering will expect you to waiver the shipping cost then. Still no a bad deal after you absorb the shipping costs.

I have the order list ready. Who wants to pick up this loose end?
I think this is the best we can do to not inconvenience those uninvolved already.

Ok first as stated dealer may not get the deck at dealer price cos for now it is only sold to customer and dealer won't be able to carry it yet... I am now asking uspcc personally to see if they are able to supply me with the deck.. so lets keep our finger cross ok.. :D

ok...i have been informed that the shipping cost will be significant so whoever wants to take over the orders don't have to absorb the cost of shipping.

If Illusionist gets something from USPCC then he will take the sale. Or whoever wants to take over just let me know and I will release the final order list.

not siding anyone, but listen to this..

if someone kill your love wan, he been sentence to death row.
will you let him off because he still got a 80years old mother to take care of ?

you get pirated, you just making the producers less-er profit or NO profit and limit their own resource to produce better product next time or worse, no production next time.

:huh: errr... sorry LV, but what's the link? i don't see what refers to what.. :lol:

by the way, looks like this is what happens to rule-breakers, huh.. sure seems sad. :(

All we ask is for us to not sell pirated videos. I really don't think it's a lot to ask for.
I would think it's very lenient rule already. We don't like go and raid your computer and ask your friends whether you watch copied videos before.
You can still buy and sell original DVDs and materials thru the marketplace which literally 100s of people view everyday. Just by doing that should make things a lot easier for most of us?
Isn't that good enough??

Why have to sell pirated vcd? No reason except for pure greed.
Just cannot accept those who sell burnt copies. <_<

Hi guys, i'm sorry for not being able to facilitate the Split Spades deck order for everyone, due to the past events. The small order that i made are now fully booked by a few people.

Would like to point out that i had never used the Marketplace to solicit the sales of pirated stuff. All that i ever sold in the marketplace, or is being sold are originals. It might never be an excuse to release burnt material but there are people out there with reasons why they are looking for it. Ponder.

Aloy, the way u conducted ur investigation was good. But unethical. Comparable to digging up secrets that someone is gay (by playing with emotions) and then spreading it and taking action thereafter.(This is an analogy) I dont think that watever i do in private warrants any nosing from you. Neither would anyone wants other people to poke their nose into their lives and that includes yourself. Those who knows me understand what i'm trying to say.

My main aim to start being a dealer was never about making money. If you have calculated the recent orders for Split Spades which amounted to $15 per deck. After conversion and addition of shipping, there is barely any profit. I'm sure u guys can read in the main thread at marketplace. What's all this for, i'm sure everyone gets the drift. Never greed.

I'm sorry for what had happened. I cannot facilitate much sales since i cant access SMC like before. I must say i had learnt quite a lot from SMC during the short stay, and this is really a good place to be. Apprieciated all the time and effort everyone spent explaining magic related stuff to a newbie like me, helping me grow in knowledge. Thanks to all the senior dealers for all the wonderful deals i took advantage of :P :wub: Peace out.


PS: Aloy if u want, u can ban this account as well. I just wanted to type this message only anyway.

Let me give the background for my so called "unethical" investigations.
I got someone (MagicNewbie) to pose as a newbie and ask around for anyone who sells pirated VCDs. Zomaziz and Cadbury are 2 who responded with sales offers and resulted in them getting suspended.
It wasn't the 1st time i did this, and it wouldn't be the last time i do this.
You were not the only ones tested Cadbury. A LOT of the forumites were tested, including a few other dealers who initiated contact and responded to PMs. All of them did excellent. None of them had problems. It's YOU Cadbury, don't find excuses.

This is why we keep saying for EVERY RULE that we have in place in SMC, there's a good reason. That's why we have the no contact info rule and the minimum post before starting thread in Marketplace rules. Because we have had people like you before Cadbury. <_<
People who think they have found "loopholes" in the system. You know what it means to adhere "in letter and in spirit"?

You really think it's ok as long as you don't post pirated videos in marketplace openly? So that means what? Anybody can just register for SMC and then PM everyone that they have pirated vcds for sale and we are going to allow it? Or don't PM, just put up an MSN contact and then sell them whatever they like in MSN? Please, we are not that dumb.

Yes, what everyone does in private is none of SMC's business. I think it's safe to say that almost everyone has a few pirated magic videos somewhere. THAT is something that is beyond us, as long as you use it privately.
BUT to try to SELL copies of these videos to the contact you made in SMC, people you get to know from SMC. I hardly think we should happily let you abuse this resource. This place is for those intereseted to get help from each other, not for you to abuse for a few quick unethical dollars.
You can buy and resell DVDs in the marketplace. That's not good enough??
That can already help you save a lot of money!
But no....not enough, you have to make copies and sell them too. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE MORE MONEY. Please don't try to make it sound that you are some kind of Robin Hood ok?

Your so called dealership has NOTHING to do with this. I don't care if you make lotsa money thru it or make loses thru it. It doesn't matter.
You are suspended because you SELL COPIED VCDs.
When we specifically say that if you want to participate in SMC, then DON'T do that.
If you see the people suspended before you, yours is a very light "sentence" already. 6 months. I was going to email you after that to ask you to behave yourself and come join us for some of the meetings. The suspension was nothing personal. You made a mistake and you paid for it. So I was fully prepared to let it go after that.

But you still have the cheek to come in in another email? You obviously don't care do you?
You know what? If you feel so indignant about it. Then please.
DON'T COME BACK.
Ok? We don't need you. You don't need us. Save yourself some pride.
Goodbye and good riddance.

In case there's any misunderstanding, the "testing" was done randomly. No specific persons were shortlisted. MagicNewbie was just pming anybody he could find. So even some lao jiaos were pmed.