how to deal people who want an effect to be done again?
you are not supposed to show the again right?
so wat do you do

just tell them "let me show u something better."

carry on with the next trick... ^_^

what was that saying about the performing monkey?

I guess we'll just have to learn to say "no" in a polite way.

do another similar effect but with a sucker method

If that person is your good friend, it shouldn't be a problem saying "you have already seen the trick, you know what is it and if i were to do it again, i'll be making a fool of myself". Or you can say alright, then they'll thought you are gonna do it again, but you perform another trick instead.

if high class people ask you do to again, just tell them that its magician's rule not to show more then one time, they will understand, happened to me before.

if normal people ask you, just say no and do another trick for them, if they want to heckle you, turn away go someone els, they dont deserve to be entertained.

that is what i normaly do. :)

well explain to them that if you hear a joke for the second time, it will not be funny... so if you know what i'm going to perform, it will not be nice also. and tell the that you will show them something else :)

well, you could do it again but change the ending
OR
say you do a 4 aces trick, just say" tell you what, since we already have the 4 aces out, why not we go on to another 4 aces trick?!"

have fun! :D

Always have a good arsenal of tricks.... Whenever they ask you to perform something again just say "only lousy magician keep on doing the same trick... let me show you something BETTER than this".... OR you can use another method to achieve the similar effect of the trick. In most cases I'll have a few standard routines.... build up this routine so that your tricks get more and more amazing....then they'll forget about asking u doing that again because they know the next trick will be better!

Moreover most cases when the audience ask you to do something again or how did you do that, they don''t really expect you to do the trick again or show them how you do the trick..... it's only their way of showing how amazed they were...

you can just procced on to do another trick and when you are done, just say that you did magic again :D

Say you are going to show them something better. Routining helps here. Say you just did a signed-card Acr, and they wanted to see it again. You could proceed to burying the card in the deck, making them think youy are going to repeat the trick, then do a Card to pocket routine or something. When people ask you to repeat a trick, follow up with something similar. That works for me. :D

thank you guys thanks for giving me some help on this,
but some people really insist on doing it again,(sometimes)\

haha, if he/she says that she did not see it, dont take it... they are trying to fool you into doing again!! just say to bad and if there is another version of the same trick, do it (if you know it lol).

Layman wouldn't know exactly what happened. So you can simply use a different technique to perform the same trick. They would have thought that you've done the same trick again.
It wouldn't be a problem.

If they INSIST on showing them the SAME trick again and again even though you proceed onto other trick that can only mean one thing.....

They jus want to HECK you! HECK! HECK! HECK!

They may have sense something fishy about the trick and what to figure it out..... YES It's not that they want to appreciate that piece of magic again...It's because they want to know how it's done....which means they wanna HECK U!!!! :angry:

So don't fall into the trap and perform for them again.... You might just turn curious audience into professional Hecklers....

well not always the case, some might really want to see it again

Ok....maybe some really want to see it and appreciate the beauty of the trick again.... I think after performing for so long you can somehow tell if they really want to see the trick again or they just wanna figure the trick out....

If you think that they really sincerely want to see it again and you are confident that they won't figure it out , then perform it again.....

IF they ask for the THIRD performance..... I think about 99.5% they wanna figure the trick out.....

Plus some tricks can really NEVER be performed twice..... For these type of tricks perform it again one week later then haha....

I think even if you are super confident that it's something that they cannot figure out, there's no reason to do it a 2nd time.

The element of surprise and amazement will be gone by then and they will only look at it again from a purely analytic point of view.

So at best, the effect will become a puzzle they cannot figure out.

If you just leave them wanting, they can only run it thru in their mind, and very often, the more they do that, the more amazing the effect becomes in their mind. B)

So yeah, never repeat a trick. :)

but some times some people say that i am scared to do it again. thats why i am not doing it, most of the time i just say i don't wan u to be freaked out again, or no matter what u r gonna be freaked then why show it again , but if they still say the samething then say this, (no choice but to challenge the audience), " oh yeah , ya i am scared how about u show me something and freak me out then i perform it again"

just tell them you have another better effect and proceed to show a second trick

Just say low mana. Hehe i heard this from another forumnite.

When you perform an effect, what is your aim? If it is to make yourself feel oh so Godly and belittle you audience, think again. The main purpose of performing magic, at least to the majority is to entertain. And no doubt entertainment is what our audience want.

Bearing that in mind, you will know for sure that when performing a particular effect for the first time, an element of surprise awaits your audience. This particular element is taken away should they see the same effect anytime more than once, as quoted by Aloy.

Magic done for the first time is entertainment, a second time and you know you're being challenged. I'm not saying however that you therefore cannot show the same audience an ACR anymore once you do it before. Give them time, let their memory lapse a little. If they can still remember your ACR after 6months, it only goes to show how much you have impressed them then. It is in such a situation that I would gladly perform the same effect one more time because I know that what they want is the ENTERTAINMENT, and not because they want to challenge me.

Know your stands and act accordingly, as always one man's meat can be another man's poison.

To be more exact, trick got cool-down period. :wacko:

Agreed with wat u say. Magicians perform is to entertain. The audience should be appreciated. As I say before last time, performed only to those interested to see and appreciated in wat u do.

When a spectator asks you to repeat a trick, it is one of these three things, or a combination:

1. He wants to see how it is done. (a.k.a. HECK)
2. The effect was performed to fast for him/her to understand.
3. They loved the effect so much, they want to see it again.

So given these, how do we solve the problem of spectators asking us to repeat a trick?

By a general rule, we must tell the spectator that we cannot repeat effects as a magician's rule - same as the rule of keeping the magic method as a secret. Thats it.

Though we can actually prevent them from asking the question in the first place! Wouldn't that be better?

To prevent the question from being asked, we must prevent 1, 2 and 3 above.

To prevent 1:

Use the non-confrontational approach - which means never challenge your audience, but rather work with them. If you have fun with your audience and you show a sense of fun and entertainment rather than a persona of "I-know-better-than-you", most hecks and hecklers CAN be prevented. Though this is not true all the time, it does help a lot. If you successfully entertain a heckler and not challenge him, then he understands the purpose of your performance and will not ask you to repeat.

To prevent 2:

Make sure you pace your routines to the understanding of your average audience. In the Philippines for example, you have to be REALLY SLOW in order for the people here to understand. Even the most famous and successful magicians face the problem of going too fast - like Gregory Wilson. If you have seen him perform, you will know what I mean.

To prevent 3:

Well, we really don't want to prevent 3. In this case, just proceed to a different trick and continue the fun! Though there are problems, such as they don't ask you to repeat something THEN some of their friends arrive, and THAT is when they ask you to repeat. This is actually still a dilemma for me, If you can suggest anything please let me know! hahaha.

My name is Fiel and I'm from the Philippines. I was in Singapore with SMC fellows recently SOOO I'm not sure if I know you.

thanks a lot! :)

Give me advice on anything too I need it.

I will tell them magic tricks are not meant to be repeated. I
also tell them, "look if you go and watch David Copperfield
perform an effect, are you going to say, Mr Copperfield,
can you show us the trick one more time, you wil look
damned stupid, right."

Off-topic : Someone's been playing world of warcraft.

On-topic : I would just typically tell them the truth and that performing too many times would make the trick lose it's ... how should i say, shock. Or go with what many people reccommend, do another trick.

Simply tell them that it's the same as you telling the same joke again... there's no kick in a repeat ^_^ So tell them that, wink, and get your booty outta there!

Requests like that are just hecklers out to burn you. So don't fall for it :rolleyes:

A rather distant thread but i'll just comment on what i say to those that wants to see me perform again. Works for me.

If they asked whether they could see the trick again, i would say no first and if let's say they say don't be a spoil sport, i'll say wanna see again sure... Come again at this place, same time, same minute , same date , same year( which never comes, lol ).

Yup, and they'll just go oh ok ok, thinking they'll be seeing the trick again soon. Sounds like a mental trick huh? Heh.

I guess it depends on the trick. Some tricks are impossible to figure out. For these, I do it again with a bit of variation. Other times, I just follow what Cyril often does. Say wait wait wait.... watch,, silent.... continue with next trick. Audience will forget the previous trick and watch your next. For me, with the exception of the opening trick, I arrange them so that most of the tricks are weaker at the start and just keep getting stronger and stronger till they climax with the closer :P So, most of the time the audience will get so amazed by the next trick that they forget the first. if there is a smooth transition between the tricks... better still.

Erm, for me most of the time i do my tricks in the same sequence..i will do a 2 card monte ending with 2 aces..then if they want tp see the same trick then ill do Dr daley's last trick with 4 aces..i mean..it's quite similar in my opinion. If they don't want to see it again and they're holding 2 aces..then it's perfect to go right into 'waving the aces'. right? Then everything seems linked and it all kind of make sense.

And the ACR routine is perfect for doing the 'same' trick over and over again. i would normally do the first 2 n stop. and wait for the 'applauses', then are which point that are bound to ask for more. And when they do ask for more, it jus makes you more magical cause u are able to 'repeat' the trick and it will leave ur spec puzzled and in awe.

ZiAn

It's best to just pretend as if your performing again. Then actually perform another effect which is stronger. They think they know what your going to do and their looking out for some areas but you are doing a diffierent thing actually and suprise their butt off.

This is my favourite topic so far.. Hmmn.. I'd like to think that people generally ask you to repeat the trick when they think it IS a trick! Stay with me on this one.. A lot of magicians do tricks in a conversational sort of patter.. "Look ah! I place the card in the center ah! See, now it jumps to the top!" God help these magicians! I would have to say if properly presented the audience member would really suspend their disbelief. But presentation for card tricks like this is tricky.. for example if you present it as a time travel experiment then it does'nt make sense because if you had travelled in time your watch would show the time has reversed! I would say finding beleivable presentations would be your first step into stoppping your audience members from asking you to repeat the trick.

ha...ha...i got my signature tricks, so call...ha..ha.. rings thru rope, i do this same magic to same group of people 4 time, none of them caught me, hee...hee... all of them are auditor.

i will said it is ok to show them another time if you know your magic well.ha...ha...

B)

by the way solomon, you don't sleep it was 4.21 am why??

Solomon can time travel mah. :lol:

Personally, i feel that after showing a trick, you should not repeat it

90% of the time people wants to break your trick after seeing it the 1st time to learn it for free. Unless they are those who have a sharp eye to see through your 1st trick already.

Just tell them that you are not allowed to show people a trick twice and will move on to another trick. If they refuse just tell them that you are going to stop doing if you insist. Then just continue with your other tricks.

Have fun!

hey not sure if this will help but i did hear a good line and it worked for me!

" Once is magic, twice is entertainment".. I told them that and they just quit asking for more... Worked for me! Hope it helps

I think the correct quote is:

"Once is Magic, twice is education"

B)

lol that works too! nice!

For me i usually just say sth like "you know magicians never show the same trick twice" accompanied by a cheeky wink and smirk.

But sometimes like what ZiAn said i'll show half an ACR routine and wait for them to ask for more then just perform the rest. That's pretty good too. But i think i like the cheeky wink and smirk more.. muahahahaha... ^_^