[With reference to physcofreak's intro thread]

hey give that guy a break he is just a kid if he can do pass dl and mercury, it means he knows elmsly count too. if you meet up and challange him what can you do ??? he knows what you knows and can do basically do what you can do.

come on guys there is no chance you can stand against a heckler. after reading through all your reply to this i felt that you are a bunch of bullies. this is the only singapore forum that is on magic does not means that you can do anything you want.

and if you wanna challange a kid why not challange me, i have over 100 over of videos on coins/ card/ rope/watch stealing/it/mentalism.

i will give you guys a challange here, anyone good enough for me ?

you wanna post a video of yourself doing tricks which you think you can baffle me do it. and i will give you the explaination, i think it sounds fair enough this forum had never seen challange like this.

why not show me what you guys had !!!

Challenging this way doesn't make you any better than anyone.

Knowing how something is done and doing it properly is different. I know how Blaine, Criss Angel and Copperfield does their effect, am I better than them? I don't think so.

Bullies?? Speak of the devil.

hmm.. this is interesting. i didn't think it was possible for an introduction thread to hit 3 pages. ;)

anyway, from the way it looks, i think psychofreak shouldn't have phrased what he said in that manner. but i also think the smc members are being a little harsh on him.. do relax a little. we're all magicians, after all.

and there's no need to challenge 1 another, either. :mellow:

That! That is exactly why I am so against mindless exposure. <_<

Because it completely gives new magicians the wrong idea that knowing how an effect is done is the most important thing and have silly misconceptions that if they can figure out methods, they are very good.
Do you really think that because you know the method, it means you are as good as the magician? Or that knowing how an effect is done is the same as being able to do it? :wacko:

[A]lex, physcofreak will tell you that when he went to the last meeting we had, everyone was very nice to him. In fact, i would even say he enjoyed himself at the meeting itself and made lotsa friends.
He came, he was polite and nice. And I would like to think that he even learnt a thing or 2 from the performances.

As for you, I am still waiting to see if you really will show up at the next meeting, or you will just remain an anonymous internet lurker with lotsa hot air but nothing to show for. B)

ya true aloy, i did make lots of friends, like nick,jasper(not sure of the name) and lot's other. I did learn quite some stuff, like hot shot cut-but i can't get it to spin for nuts. many showed me lot's of stuff. very nice indeed. especially 3 guys . jasper, nick and the other one who showed me a teleportation.

they were nice to me too.

the issue is not about letting go off my details but something in school

you guys won't know, it was kind of embarrassing for me,

aloy please delete my details please, if possible this whole thread,

i am kind of getting scolded by you guys

Dun worry physco, a lot of us has went thru the same process before. Really really :)

There are a lot of "old bird" regulars in here who in the starting days, got a lot of flake (scolding?) for behaviours that was...erm....not so nice.
But that's the point of a community, as they say "iron sharpens iron". A little friction, a little mutual understanding, and there you have it, everyone learnt something.
And i believe nobody scolded you at the meeting right?

I was scolded once too. :)

But it's part of the learning procedure. No one gets good in something without breaking a few rules here and there, as long as in the end he realises his mistakes, he has learnt his lesson well.

Ahh... that's philosophy for you. Hard to chew, but makes you want to have more. :lol:

Anyway, [A]lex sounds like a VERY VERY good magician doesn't he? After all he has HUNDREDS of VIDEOS LEH! Oh my GOD. And he dares to challenge others after watching those videos and FIGURING THEM OUT! SHOCK~

[A]lex, frankly speaking, you need to changed your attitude REAL quick. Challenging all 600 to 700 plus of us here is seriously (mind my harsh words) stupid. Even if you do win all 700 of us, does it make you a better magician? It all means that you can figure out effects on videos. That's all. You aren't a magician until you grasp what magic is about.

Honestly, I don't CARE if magicians see how I do some stuff. If they know how it's done, it doesn't make them any better.

[A]lex, to be a better magician (if you are one in the first place), don't keep learning/figuring out MORE effects. MORE, in this case, simple means Mess Of Rubbish Effects.

And being a better magician doesn't mean watching videos too. Chew on that.

:lol:

sorry something happened to me this morn and i felt it amusing when i read [A]lex's posts.

:off: but i feel that it makes sense.

I watch my mum cook breakfast and I figured out all the ingredients, the amount and etc and when she asked if i can cook it, i 'boasted' that I could and even gave her an explaination and when to add certain ingredients and the like.

However, it turned out that I am only a 'talker' as the breakfast was....well...nevermind :D . We ended going out for food :P

So you see, knowing and actually being able to do it is totally different.

Unless you can claim to have mastered all the 100 items you have (Wow!! great library you have honestly. Esp if all is original :!!: *Envy* :blink: ) then i guess that wont make you any difference with a heckler that knows all the moves in a routine and boasts about it to his friends. ^_^

Erh, time to make lunch....Anyone hungry?? :ph43r:

It's getting quite common to hear people who claim to be magicians and knowledgable because they can figure out the gazillions of magic videos/demo videos on the net.
I blame the exposure sites and forums that is popping up for that. When you start magic in an environment where the ability to figure out an effect is the yardstick to measure a person's abilities, it's no wonder they adopt this kind of attitude. And it's no wonder they start to believe they are magicians just because they can figure out magic videos. Because that's how those people in exposure sites and forums behave.
And it's so easy to! Hide behind a nickname, do a lot of talking, and you never have to meet those people that live 10,000 km away. Under such conditions, who will need to (or learn to) respect?

[A]lex, physcofreak was getting a lot of flake in the beginning exactly because of that kind of attitude. But (i hope) he is starting to see it differently now.

The ability to figure out the method for an effect says nothing about you as a magician. All you need to do is replay the video a thousand times and have some basic knowledge of sleights. But does it mean you can perform the same effect correctly just because you know how it's done?
The ability to make magic videos says nothing about you as a magician either. You have a fixed camera view, no spectators, and can re-do it a thousand times before having 1 good take. Is that supposed to be impressive?

But there's not need for you to take this lying down [A]lex. You can come for meetings and prove your point. B)
Hey, if you really can do it, I'm sure you can do it in real life too and not just to a webcam right? :)

I just cannot wait for the next meeting to see if you actually turn up or not. B)
Or you just going to register another email address and come in as another person, and this "[A]lex" will disappear forever. :lol:

Wow A challenge.. Lol I love this kind of things but hmmm... Are you good enough to even set up this challenge lol... How about this I make it more interesting how about we perform to strangers lets see who shake more or who can perform the same effect and get the best reaction.

Have 100 of videos does not make you a good perform or the rights to challenge anyone. And are you sure you finish learning all the stuff in the 100 over videos you owned??? I don't even dare to say I am a good performer and all I can say I am still a noob who is still learn new thing everyday thru magician and to the person I perform to..

Life is harsh you just got to accept that when you don't or phase something wrongly you will get fired back.. y take it so personally, just take it as a learn step in life. :)

you have 100 videos but if you do not watch it or practice it, its as good as having 0 videos. i find its no point for a challenge. We are here to learn, not to compete with each other to see who is better.

Presentation is a very important part. Even if you know how to do the trick, you must think of a good way to present it, to make sure that the trick gives the audience an impression that they will remember for the rest of their life.

Wah!!! [A]lex, since you are so good, your parents must be very proud of you, and your friends must be very happy to have you, since you can keep them entertained with the many routines that you have for hours!!! :P Wow!!! ImPrEsSivE!!! B)

I do a couple to tricks, but I don't think I am qualified to be called a magician. Just like the term "Engineer", think it may have been misused, since it is not that regulated as "Doctor" or "Lawyer".

Having many engineering or medicine books/DVDs doesn't make one an engineer or doctor too! :) I have many audio CDs, but I croak like a frog! You will have to kill me to get me to sing in KTV.. *embarassed*. :g:




:g: Oldman

wow if one video is $60 then...

$60x100=$6000

wow rich....

or are they pirated???

haha, [A]lex was just trying to speak up for psychofreak and in the end he got shoot back. <_<

but anyway, [A]lex you need to change your view and attitude on magic.

i think your post was a little too overboard. :)

the method is just part of the method.

if u go by this philosophy, then knowing the method is not really knowing the menthod at all. :D

I guess the moral of the story is to be HUMBLE, whether in a magic forum
or in Life. Luckily for you, physcofreak, I hope you have learnt a valuable
lesson about Life on a forum and not when some years later you have to
learn it the hard way out there in the corporate jungle where the people
around you can be unforgiving.

OK i would like to answer all your question now.




1. What about this 700 smc member remark ?700 or 10 member make no difference to me, none are Professional or even internationally known. None of the guys came up with any product or any ideal that sells. Face it guys you ain't no David Blaine and yet not even close to David Copperfield. So forget about the challenge none of you are up to it. If anyone wish to shut me up, take the challenge and prove me wrong. frankly speaking i really don't think you guys are up to it, you all are talk but no action.


2.

When in the world did i say i wanna be a Blaine, Criss Angel and Copperfield wanna be, or i am better than them. Everyone join this forum for a reason that is to learn more about magic. And that is to expand their knowledge, so when i have tons of videos it HELPS. I don't have to master each and everything i see in the videos. i am not a busker and i don't wear a magician outfit running around town performing for stranger. So what is the talk about Knowing how something is done and doing it properly is different You are not a pro and i don't see your video on sale so who are you to gauge me ?


3.

Wow who is this busker again, don't you have a job ? Or your full time job is working as a clown performing for strangers. Knowing how trick is done does not mean you need to perform for complete strangers. Do you get kick out of people when they are amaze or give great reaction to what you do ? Well you can splash them with a glass of water and they still have great reaction. I am sorry to say i am not a busker or a clown so forget about doing it out doors, save it for the clowns OK. Why not you show me some videos of your amazing sleight and piss me off. Or you are just another all talk but no action jackson.

4.

If anyone of you here know this joker go through his disc MP3 DVDs MTV and see if he had any copy or pirated stuff at home. if you can find just 1 pirated disc, shove up his .... for me. And yes one last thing for you your picture look cute. everyone should check out his picture OK what a dog.
oh yes and here is a joke for everyone....... whoever says a man best friend is a dog had never seen a pussy meow

Guys, chill it.

We know what we are frustrated about and we are all wrong in venting that frustration on someone who "did" it again.

Come on. This is not a warring forum. Shake hands and peace out.

Ahh yes , a long post indeed , but before you go on.

im pretty sure you might wanna take that back, do a research in the forum for Professionals like Bob chua etc. Idea that sells? we have our own originial effects that are being sold to smc members, or rather , have u had a video that sells? if Not , i doubt your eligible to provide that challenge either.

At no time on earth did you say you were them , its a analogy.
Did i recall, your not a pro either? Are YOUR videos on sale then? we do not need to be anybody to gauge you. I can call myself a pro. But if a layman thinks otherwise , is there a point? Same goes for you.

He aint no busker nor clown, in other words are you implying that criss angel/david blaine's a clown?
Personally i hate doing it to a cam, i'd probably come up with 101 ways to use camera tricks and perfecting the vid over and over again until it becomes flawless, on a open ground the situation is different. and again , we aint here to piss you off. We're all trying to make you understand that your attitude towards magic is going on a wrong road. amazing sleight or not , it doesnt matter. all it matters is the person you are performing to is amazed or happy. Oh , im pretty sure since your all-so-knowledgable, do come for the next meeting alright? since you aint no "all talk but no action jackson"

yes yes , im pretty sure we've all got pirated stuff all over our house, and yes we wont need to shove up his ... for you!
His just saying your so "rich" to buy all original MAGIC DVDS , or are u acknowledging the fact that you do own pirated magic vcds?
btw, what has his dog got to do with pirated stuff?

Hmmm that reminds me, are you a professional magician with stuff on sale and hence believe that no one here is up to your mark? If we cant gauge you, why is the reverse true? Interesting :lol:

"Knowing how something is done and doing it properly is different"

I agree with you on this :) So, why the post on 100 vids and hence the challenge issued that you can see and explain the method and hence, you feel that you are superior and no one is up to your mark?

sooo, you are implying knowing method = superior? but then again, dint you mention that knowing and doing is different? Then what makes you come to the conclusion that by being able to know we do our stuff makes us "not up to your mark"

Perhaps you can do something that is really original and not from your 100 vcds? If so i appluad you for your creativity :g:

getting kinda confused with your double standards in your post :wacko:

Oh, by the way, maybe you can attend the next meeting if there is one? otherwise how could we challenge you when you are hiding behind the keyboard? :rolleyes: just a thought, forget it :P

this challange is not to offend everyone here, i am just standing up for a 14yr kid. and i believe some of you share my point of view, so for those who are blaine wanna be show me what you have !!! i can break down each of your move use in your tricks and shut you up for good. well if you are piss off by this don't just sit back and read, make some videos and shut me up for good. action speak louder than words

and for senior members if you think i am worng you can do your part and show me what you have if not than i think you should get a life rather than getting your kick out of pissing off some kids.

leave this thread don't ban it by the way running away does you no good, only coward does that. i wanna see if anyone here is good enough and this is the time where i think you guys can show what this smc is make of.

dear lukold

i am not a pro and i never said i was one but from what your reply i feel that you do think that you are some kind of a pro magician. well than you should stop posting and do some videos or you are just a all talk no action kinda guy. lukold even if i do meet you out what can you show me , your acr biddle pass come on dude i can name whatever you throw out at me. maybe i will even fall asleep when you are doing you pull the rabbit out of a hat trick.

lukold if you wanna be a hero than start your videos and stop acting like a hero behind that keyboard

[A]lex, I think you're a joke...the way you think make me laugh, really...

Aloy, ban [A]lex...

[A]lex if you really like to have a challenge, then show me how much you can earn using what you've spend. Try it on the streets, I challenge you.

"Actions speak louder than words" thats a good phrase, and I don't think you even try busking or performing before, some SMC members tried so I really do hope you'll take up this challenge.

Just make this short, nobody is trying to prove anything here, take up my challenge and the audience will prove to you your 100 videos/knowledge is just a insult to magic society.

-Alan-

As you've said , since you know it all. Why arent you a pro yet?
Btw , quit asking me to start my video, i hate performing to a dead thing. i'd rather a live human being. well at least my cam doesnt go "WHOA!" yet.
I doubt im the only person who wants to meet you. Therefore You'll go to the next outing to show everyone who your really are right?

dear Multi-Talent do you run to mom each time anything happen ?
stop acting like a cry baby. aloy ban him aloy this and that, do you know if you ban this threat it shows that you are nothing but bullies.

now run to mom and get your mike bottle cry baby, i bet when you were small your always get bullie and you are used to doing it, running back home to your mom. get a life and grow up

i am not poor like you i have enough cash to spend and why do i have to roam in the street as you said.

Aloy's Note:
At least [A]lex is just stating his opinion, no matter how wayward it is. We can deal with that.
YOU, on the other hand, is plain malicious and rude for no reason. So here's a little 2 weeks suspension, with compliments. ;)

Alan, don't bother replying him, he wouldn't be able to read it. B)

P.S. Actually, re-reading your post again, I see no reason not to delete your account. It's only your 2nd post after your intro and you are acting like that.

So. That's it. Goodbye. B)

Oh...[A]lex....what a character... :lol:

You still don't get what everyone keep trying to tell you. I'll keep it to 1 very simple point:

Being able to figure out sleights and methods from videos DOES NOT prove you are a magician. That is NOT magic knowledge.

So you cannot "prove" that you are knowledgable by asking people to post videos you cannot figure out. Because it proves nothing.
In a gist, your attitude is just plain off if you think that being able to figure out videos means you are a good and knowledgable magician.

Again, these are things that cannot be debated from a forum.
And again, i would like to ask you to try to come for the next meeting we have. :)
I promise you nobody will be mean to you. Just ask physcofreak. Dispite the flake he got when he 1st joined, everyone was nice to him in the meeting.
These are things that are best discussed in real life than from behind a keyboard.

I encourage everyone else to refrain from flaming and arguing in this topic any further. To go on will be just going in circles and nothing can be settled.
Let's just see our friend here really will come to a meeting or he is just another boy who talks a lot but wants to hide behind the anonymity of the internet.

You can led a horse to the water but you cannot make the horse drink. B)


Cheers

Erm everyone, just forget about this guy lah...either he take up the challenge on the streets or forget it, he can crap all he want but if he don't take up this challenge then I think he's only a "all talk no action jackson", no point getting angry over such a guy, it's a waste of time.

So [A]lex, you want to take up my challenge or you want to be chicken little? I give you 3 months to prepare, and I'll prepare to laugh at how much you can earn from how much you have learned.

And raven, street performing is a job, I don't roam because I'm poor but because it's my job. Since you're so rich why don't you get some education on personal up bringing? I believe with such richness you should be well educated rather than calling buskers as "jobless/poor". I think I know, you're rich but no one teach you properly, you've wasted your money...

-Alan-

You know something? I realised he keeps talking about "videos". For example, he said something about if lukold feels he is a pro, he should go make a video and shut him up.

Do all pros make videos?

And must videos make [A]lex shut up? strange.

[A]lex, from the way you type, I can already tell you are not much of a pro. Honestly speaking, i dare not say SMC people are ALL 100% pros. Yes there are blaine wanna-bes, but PLEASE you are making all 100% of us sound like we are blaine/angel/copperfield worshippers and go to some retarded magic website with shiny stars in the background to learn Blaine magic.

That can very easily insult some of the true professionals here.

If you are a person who is famous or something, then say! Let us know! We are nice people who wish to help those who want to help themselves. If you have a 1000 videos up on sale, each one containg 500 of your own original effects, so be it! At least we know that you are a true professional, probably Dai Vernon's professor or something. The thing is we dunno enough about you yet. That is why Aloy is asking you to come to a meeting!

Don't use the Internet as a mask to hide yourself. Open up, my boy.

Videos don't always give the true fact, by the way. I can do some of the most OMG effect on video due to flawless editing (yes I have tried it before much to my own amusement).

How did we ever piss of little kids? Physcofreak was treated nicely!

So STOP standing up for a kid that's not harmed in anyway already.

Knowing how an effect is done is NOT magic. It does not prove anything. A magician (if you are one) does magic, not watch magic and figure them out.

Magicians are "merchants of dreams".

That's all I have to say.

Ok, done fighting.

No point repeating the same thing if he cannot listen.

Just ignore him for now everyone.

WONDERFUL... We have someone here who is so proud of his PIRATED stuff... well i don't have a single pirated stuff not even a mp3 in my computer.... come and check la!!

what a clown you are boasting about your 100 video when NOT ALL of them are original( well maybe not even one)...
WOW we have a true criminal and pirate.... SO proud of his criminal act.. NO SHAME!!!
POST SOME VIDEO BEFROE YOU START INSULTING ANYONE AGAIN

haha why my post got deleted? :huh:

anyway guys, let;s all follow aloy's suggestion and dowse this flame out. [A]lex, i really hope that you will come for the next meeting and we can see how it goes, well unless you are scared? ^_^ well, don;t be. no one;s going to shove anything into your orifices if you come! ^_^

Guys, i know you are really pissed off at this guy who comes in and starts insulting everyone but make peace! -_-

oh stop the 100 video thing, it sounds like a rank. E.g. i have 50 videos, am i to bow down to the one who have 100? :ph43r:

PEACE PEOPLE!
-Aaron-

One of some nice sentences that i have picked up:

"Ignorance is bliss"

However, since i am pretty hypocritic, i shall make myself involved in this "pointless" thread.

Its wonderfully ok to stand up for others, but this is a little bit too much.

Let me ask u a question, do u think posting up challenges like that will end the problem? i doubt so. It will only make u looks like a joke, bcoz i am pretty sure there are ppl in this forum who really can fool u, and i am sure it will not feel good to be in that position. (so do I)

and btw, there are ALOT of pros who dont do videos, its just one of the media u can learn magic. It is only popular for the past half decade due to the information age, and is therefore, quite limited. Magic as an art has quite an extensive history.

i hope u understands this. Bcoz ur sounding like a heckler, many magicians hate them. REALLY. and i suppose u dont want to be a heckler too, do u? (although i consider them quite interesting people :D)

and i have a qn for u [A]lex?

wat's ur purpose in doing magic? Why do u do magic?

Yours truly
dark_law :ph43r:

I think everybody skipped my post.

Calm down guys. We know what is happening. Reflect a bit and we all agree we're acting like kids. EVERYONE.

Psychofreak made a bomb when he introduced himself. But is it necessary to flame him? Can't we talk to him nicely and get his opinions turned a new perspective? Just because he did something that every magician here detested doesn't mean he's subjected to all the flames. It is traumatising for a 14 year old to receive such remarks in an alien environment. What [A]lex did was trying to shield him a bit.

[A]lex, you have to admit here that you're in the wrong too. We know your intentions but the way you did it, by challenging others in such a way, was plain childish. I don't want to be rude but please calm down and think. There is no point in the challenge and no point in heckling what others do. They are just trying to get a point across here.

Point is: seeing through a method doesn't mean you are anyway good or anyway a magician. It's the experience gained through the heart of performing that makes one a magician.

Now, don't you agree what you've been challenging is pointless?

Ok, now dear SMC guys, can't we all just shake up and make peace?

To me, magic isn't about the physical trick but the experience and amusement that you give your audience. So what if you know a trick or two, or in this case a 100 videos. You got to make the audience believe, and that takes true skills. No amount of videos can teach you how to create a moment of shock and amazement for the audience.

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You've got THAT right. I found out that you and raven is the same person. B)

You have to pretend to be 2 person just to try to win an arguement. :lol:

You are mistaken if you think I'm going to stand by and watch you hurl insults at people. That means you won yourself a 6 weeks ban. Come back when you've chilled out. B)


P.S. Changed my mind. Get lost forever. B)