in that video where brad christian teaches that invisible pass, what was the original name? i feel kinda uncomfortable not knowing the proper name (just like "knowing" the erdnase colour change as "classic colour change", which sounds a bit corny, not to mention a bit wrong). i think that one was also described in royal road to card magic. as a side note, are there any passes out there which are more invisible than this one? and how long does it usually take to master a pass, because i'm getting a bit sian of practicing it (only confident enough to do to mirror now)

The "Invisible Pass" that Brad Christian teaches is known as a riffle pass. No particular "original" name for that.

By the way, if you like to know the original name for moves, the "erdnase color change" is called ORIGINALLY as the Erdnase Color Change Method #1. This is because Erdnase has 6 methods for doing color changes. These can be found in the book "Expert at the Card Table" available in Borders.

How long to master a pass? That question is impossible to answer till you bring your pass out to your audience. Use it. Slowly experience will tell you which part(s) of your pass you'll need to improve.

Doing pass after pass in the mirror will not help you at all, be it in performing or presentation. Magicians are called to perform out there to people, not to perform to a mirror and say, "How did I do that??!!"

I don't think the "invisible pass" is the riffle pass dude.

It's technically not even a pass, but a pass substitute.

Unfortunately, i dunno the name of it either.

I thought that one is the "one handed pass" as termed by Brad Christian?

Oh...then i might be mistaken....
I didn't have any of the Brad Christian stuff. Just from what pple tell me abt them...

Is riffle pass supposed to be invisible??

Performed correctly, it is pretty angle-proof. The riffle covers the "dirty work" during the pass.

I have seen people performing a riffle pass so well, that only the riffle is visible only, not the shift.

The invisible pass isn't the riffle pass.

In the invisible pass there is no riffling action. Its basically a larger motion classic pass to cover the tell tale signs.

exo is correct.

The invisible pass in a classic pass done with a larger 'rocking' motion.

Personally I feel the invisible pass is rubbish. The classic pass with a regular rocking motion is way better.

And a pass is invisible when you can't see your own pass.

You should ask the best Passers is Singapore.

Not in Ranking, They are: Huron, Bone, Jeremy Tan.

This 3 are the best which i have ever saw.

If you get a chance to meet them, do ask them for advice or opinion, i believe they will be glad to help out.

i have yet to see an invisible riffle pass - in all the online videos i see they all look kinda shady cos you can actually see the shift happening a split second before the riffle. not good.

anyways is it really possible to make the pass invisible to both the performer and the audience? because so far i can only get it to look invisible to the audience.

as an afterthought, do any of huron, bone and jeremy come for jams? i know huron is pro and might be too busy to come down, with his work with virtuoso etc.

and more importantly, can anyone share their experiences on the first time they did the pass to an audience? i am never confident enough to do it.

You can make the pass very invisible with misdirection.

If you don't have confident, you can also subsitute the pass by using any other variation of "cuts".

Do agree with Pseudo, the pass was meant to be done with misdirection in the first place.

Somehow, there are people who can execute a pass infront of your face and you won't be able to know.

Do recommend to people if they really wish to learn all kind of pass, you would really have to put in hardwork.

Reference:

Richard Kaufman - On The Pass (DVD)

There are a lot of unwanted attention on the pass move. It is a historical fact that it was so worshipped as a golden move that magic lovers like us tend to believe only if we mastered the pass then we will be a really good magician.

The pass like many magical moments needs the help of misdirection. Not only thru the movement of the arms or whatever you have with your body but also by the sense of sound. Some magicians does the pass move while saying " Now look here" . By the time you register to look at his palm you are too late. Misdirection by sound is truely amazing. The burning power of any spectator will be hugely reduced with good sound misdirection.

As for the many kinds of passes it is seriously for card techies to explore and decide for themselves what to use or learn and for what purpose.

i have to concur as well, practicing with audiences is really the best way. The pass is not about the pass, it is also about the guts to play it right in front of people's nose.

Hope this helps somehow in addressing your doubt.

Regards,
magic_performer

anyway i dont think you can use riffle pass and invisible pass when there are people standing on your right if you hold ur deck with your left hand but then again its easy to misdirect and do it.

One way to make the pass "invisible" is to use this following principle:

Large motion covers small actions.

Rocking the deck while passing is a good idea, but unless you have a reason to rock a deck, it is not feasible.

Personally, I am aim to pass the deck during the time between the spectator placing the card back in (which i have to lean forward, turn my body, or whatever to do that) and assuming my basic position. (If you don't know what that is, shame on you. lol.).

That way, more "cover" is added unto the move.