Title: Too Hot To Handle (for Me)!
Description: Tips needed to handle emergency..
muscleaxl - May 16, 2006 09:42 AM (GMT)
Think these are some questions on most newbies' mind.
What to say when...
1. people asked : "can you do that again"?
2. the spectator said, "You didn't put the card in the middle leh.." (eg during an ACR)?
3. you are doing a coin routine and the spectator said, "it's in the other hand..."?
4. people turned over cards that shouldn't be turned at that time? (eg. 2 Card Monte)
5. spectator said, "No leh, you only showed 3 cards.." while you did an Elmsley.
Blackwing - May 16, 2006 09:49 AM (GMT)
1. No.
2. Swivel the card out and do a DL
3. use a handwa**
4. stop there, and walk off.
5. turn the cards over and show 4 backs
The solution to everything?
PRACTICE.
Aloy - May 16, 2006 09:56 AM (GMT)
1. Kick them in the shin
2. Kick them in the shin
3. Kick them in the shin
4. Kick them in the shin
5. Kick them in the shin
This is the most power misdirection. They are sure to forget the question they were asking when they have a hairline fracture in their leg.
:!!:
Paradoxt - May 16, 2006 10:19 AM (GMT)
I know a better place to kick. :!!:
dimsumdemon - May 16, 2006 11:13 AM (GMT)
LOLx
kick them in the shin?? WTF?? lolx....
well heres my take, but if your spectators ask such questions...something else is wrong...either your friends are freak all out to catch you or maybe there wasn't enough patter?? I dunno...sounds to me like that :
1a) Just do it again using a different method? (provided you have various methods for your tricks....for example:Theres alot of methods for ACR)
1b) Just do it again. Some people are just awe by your tricks. They dun always try to heck you. They just genuine wanna see it again. For that. Judgement call.
1c) tell them " Can...next week same day same time same minute, it will happen again. I see you next week"
2a) just exit 51.
2b) or you can do Drop 52.
2c) or worst case Just do ACR in box. (card goes mid with spectator seeing it and place into card box. Spectator takes out card from box and selected card on top.* that just can't do with signed cards depending how you handle it.)
3a) then do coin to pocket with Mus@@@ Pa$$.
3b) or if you dun know that...i guess you can just compliment them " ok..good eye sight...what about these then??" then move onto something else
3c) or use lame joke.....like err... " yes you saw the coin, (opens hand) but this is the 1991 ten cent coin. Just now that one is 1997 ten cent coin. you didnt know right? WATCH CLOSELY YOU !#$#!@%#! "
4) just don't do 2 Card Monte.
5a) Then show 2 cards with DL.
5b) If you had 4, then bot P### 1 and with P### hand grab the rest of the deck and shove to them tell them count the rest of the deck if its 49.
llamalamer - May 16, 2006 11:23 AM (GMT)
1. I'm sorry
2. I'm sorry
3. I'm sorry
4. I'm sorry
5. I'm sorry
If you are good enough, people wont ask you the questions.
Not what you're looking for?
1. Sure. (Similiar effect, different method. I'm sure there are ways to do so.)
2. Oh yah hor! Thanks for telling me, I forget sometimes.. haha (Show indiferent card, then take the real top card, put in middle, then dirty work phase)
3. Of course it is?! Then what you expect?! (Show p**med coin, then on the offbeat ditch the coin then perform a "vanish")
4. (Take the card from them) Oh. erm.... they change sometimes... Naughty cards!!! Wait... I can show you something with these naughty cards!! (Some color change routine)
5. (Depends on situation. If you're counting to hide one face up card. Asher T****t after count to show 4 face down) Where got?!
OR
(Just show the 4 face down cards) Where got?!
After doing the following measures, blackmark them and swear to yourself never to perform to them again.
I think that's the answer you're looking for eh?
LarryDK - May 16, 2006 12:25 PM (GMT)
Haha, i will onli repeat the effect using another effect. then it catch them unprepared that its the same effect i am doing.
Then they asked again, i told them i did it liao, no more second chance.
As for the rest, i not good with coins, so cant help. Those turn over one, shout "LOOK, i changed the cards!!" They will "-.-, then juz laugh ur heart away saying that you thought this can cheat them, and apparently, magicians dun know how to gamble, can onli change cards. (Its lame, but i do it sometime, and it works.) But you have to stop there liao, walk away, or keep ur stuffs and chit chat. If they still wan to see more, then if its ur frenz, ask them to F off!! Haha!! if its audience, then tell them that there is always a nxt time. :)
Okie, quite lame you might think, but a good joke can always turn the situation around de. :)
Sehnsucht - May 16, 2006 01:39 PM (GMT)
hey llamalamer, you play cs?
Winder - May 16, 2006 01:47 PM (GMT)
1. people asked : "can you do that again"?
Ans: This 1 will really depend on the effect which you are doing, not every effect can be repeated
2. the spectator said, "You didn't put the card in the middle leh.." (eg during an ACR)?
Ans: Well, do it again, and show it's really in the middle, the riffle pass is good for this if you can do good. If not just do the normal way.
3. you are doing a coin routine and the spectator said, "it's in the other hand..."?
Ans: Just reach over to their shirt and say "NO, It's in your sleeve"
4. people turned over cards that shouldn't be turned at that time? (eg. 2 Card Monte)
Ans: Wow, how did you do that ? You did the change yourself ?
5. spectator said, "No leh, you only showed 3 cards.." while you did an Elmsley.
Ans: No, look carefully *Count again*
Overall, some of the points which are discussed above can be prevented if every magician does their job, yes i mean their job and duty.
PRACTICE your MAGIC well before performing, even demonstrator at Magic Shop have to practice the effect once or twice before showing to other people.
So Practice, Practice, Practice and more Practice. After that ? Just go out and do what you do best, entertain those folks.
Good Luck Man ~
Doublelifter - May 16, 2006 04:05 PM (GMT)
I quess it's because there's not enough practise before you decided
to perform....sorry no offence here. Never perform until one should
be very proficient with the moves otherwise practise to a close
friend or family member who can QC you. But if there's someone
who simply refused to take your instructions or cooperate just abort
the performance because this person doesn't deserve to be
entertained.
Winder - May 17, 2006 01:15 AM (GMT)
I like the way DoubleLifter describe the QC part, seriously i believe this is the case which all Magician faces, when your audience becomes rowdy.
Somehow, practicing a little audience management will solve this kind of situation, but some stuff are unpredictable.
Yes, it's very easy to say "He's heckling me, so i don't perform".
Yes, we can do it now, but for those who really wish to take Magic as a Part Time Profession or Full Time, this isn't the way out for them.
When you meet hecklers at events/paid shows, you just have to bear with them, those people are your source of income.
Somehow, being a magician require more than just magic props, it require audience management, charisma, luck, patience and many more.
Good Day ~
Markiebeth - May 17, 2006 03:05 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Blackwing @ May 16 2006, 05:49 PM) |
1. No.
2. Swivel the card out and do a DL
3. use a handwa**
4. stop there, and walk off.
5. turn the cards over and show 4 backs
The solution to everything?
PRACTICE. |
Nick's answers are certainly what I would go for too. Saying 'No' is sometimes rather difficult for those who are just starting out and want to 'impress' their friends with their new found talents. Quit while you're ahead.
More often than not a person would certainly suspect a coin is concealed in the other hand should you be showing a routine with just a single piece. Notice that time is of the essence. Your aim is to give them enough time to realise that the coin has vanished and then move on to the next phase immediately, be it a re-appearence or transposition. Hold it any longer and you're just opening yourself to unwanted stares at your awkward looking hand :P
Instead of going like 'Uh, how come you're not holding the queen anymore' or anything like that should the spectator turn over the cards prematurely, why not create abit of humour out of it? 'Wow Sir, this part of the act wasn't even pre-planned, David Copperfield sure needs a new consultant'. Make the best out of your situation. Sure the heckler may be smart but it is the smarter performer who takes his actions and utilise it to entertain the rest who are watching. Have to disagree on Nick's walking away for that matter :)
They claim they saw 3 cards? Right, turn all 4 around and show the backs. Period.
Jeremy - May 17, 2006 05:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (muscleaxl @ May 16 2006, 05:42 PM) |
Think these are some questions on most newbies' mind.
What to say when...
1. people asked : "can you do that again"?
2. the spectator said, "You didn't put the card in the middle leh.." (eg during an ACR)?
3. you are doing a coin routine and the spectator said, "it's in the other hand..."?
4. people turned over cards that shouldn't be turned at that time? (eg. 2 Card Monte)
5. spectator said, "No leh, you only showed 3 cards.." while you did an Elmsley. |
1. Ignore him
2. Ask him where it is then, and eventualy confuse both of you.
3. Throw the coin in his face, then mutter a vulgarity and walk off.
4. S*it happens dude.
5. Act like you forgot what you want to do, and blame it on him.
dtjk - May 17, 2006 08:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Markiebeth @ May 17 2006, 11:05 AM) |
| More often than not a person would certainly suspect a coin is concealed in the other hand should you be showing a routine with just a single piece. Notice that time is of the essence. Your aim is to give them enough time to realise that the coin has vanished and then move on to the next phase immediately, be it a re-appearence or transposition. Hold it any longer and you're just opening yourself to unwanted stares at your awkward looking hand :P |
Like Michael Ammar said, when you lose something, you'll go and search high and low, up and down for the thing you're missing, UNTIL you find it. For example, when you lose your set of keys, you dont stop looking for them until you find them, probably sitting inside your pants pocket all along. <_<
Therefore, when you conceal a coin by doing a hold-up in your hand while you show the other empty, its a vanishing coin trick, to laymen. But to heckler, the coin is MISSING; it did not vanish, but it went missing, and its still around somewhere. They will then start to look for the coin, and.. :D
Conclusion, dont hold-up a coin for too long, after you vanish it, the moment it gets to their mind (THE COIN IS GONE!), reappear it. This way, when the bugger finds the "missing coin" (because you reappeared it), he will stop looking for it, because the he has found the coin! There is nothing to look for already, nothing is missing. :rolleyes:
Try it, next time when you do a coin vanish, show your hand empty, front and back, and then reappear it. The timing should be just nice. ;)
Hope that helps. :lol:
vennomz - May 17, 2006 11:13 AM (GMT)
what about if they ask u "can i shuffle the cards myself?" when u are doing controls?
muscleaxl - May 17, 2006 04:52 PM (GMT)
Good question... this is something I wanted to ask too.
Usually, if they insist, I just switch to a trick where people can shuffle.
Any other good ideas? (beside kicking them on the shin.. hehe)
llamalamer - May 17, 2006 05:18 PM (GMT)
I take this from Kenton's Wonder Words...
Spec: "Can I shuffle?"
You: "Sure, but... does it matter??"
OR
You: "Sure you can, but don't you trust me?"
Freeze - July 24, 2006 01:57 AM (GMT)
YEA i encountered this situation before and i was like lost for words so i said don't trust me ar? and they said YES.. i was like "-.- so in the end i just did a simple trick of finding their card out of the 52 deck. I have another question. What if you ask them to insert the card at this certain portion of the card so u can have a break and they say : " Can i slot it in anywhere?" and when you said it doesn't really matter, they insist. how can you ounter this situation?
cioxxx - July 24, 2006 02:06 AM (GMT)
well make it SEEM like it doesn't matter. you could spread out the cards and then have them place it 'anywhere' then get your br***, or you could do a fa*se shuffle. it always works.
Freeze - July 24, 2006 02:27 AM (GMT)
I'm sorry, i forgot to add this, they will also say this, "No, give me the deck and i place it in." I just hate these kind of people.
cioxxx - July 24, 2006 02:30 AM (GMT)
then walk away man. these people don't deserve to be entertained at all. oh, as a parting shot, kick them in the shin (:
GordonLi - July 24, 2006 04:23 AM (GMT)
It is not the fault of the spectator, it is totally natural for them to suspect trickery, and they would definitely want to ensure that everything is fair.
You may hate such people, but these people are in fact the ones who are genuinely interested in watching you perform. Surely you wouldnt want to, and will very seldom get, the kind of spectator that just watches you do and does not participate at all. Worse still, is if they question the fairness of the trick after it is done.
So the way to counter this, if you want to ensure that your magic is 100% intellectual-proof, is to use sleights to negate any thing they want to do, or phrase your words to make it seem like no trickery was ever possible.
theWeaver - July 24, 2006 08:10 AM (GMT)
Join the mentalist! Hehe.
Well, try to start your routines with non-sleights related tricks. Try more presentation-based or idea-based for the first few tricks you do, then after they are more comfortable with being in a "safe" environment, add in your sleights tricks or whatever, and they will be caught off guard.
I.e. for the first few tricks. LET them handle the deck, LET them place cards anywhere, LET them choose freely, LET them inspect.. Tricks that allow you to do that.. Then after the 3-4 trick, they wouldn't be bothered to be so "xxx".. Then you are free from danger of them asking to handle the cards or whatsoever.
Hope that helps.
(I nearly ALWAYS start with some simple mental tricks or self working tricks before i go into more complicated or sleight stuff.)
binaryzero_1 - July 24, 2006 08:12 AM (GMT)
If they want to shuffle it, pal* it when they are asking, hope that works, did that once i think, still get away from it.... :rolleyes:
Freeze - July 24, 2006 08:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (theWeaver @ Jul 24 2006, 04:10 PM) |
Join the mentalist! Hehe. Well, try to start your routines with non-sleights related tricks. Try more presentation-based or idea-based for the first few tricks you do, then after they are more comfortable with being in a "safe" environment, add in your sleights tricks or whatever, and they will be caught off guard. |
Thanks for the idea, i think i'll try this out. And binaryzero_1, sounds good too, i will figure that out.
joeltay81 - August 6, 2006 02:52 PM (GMT)
1. people asked : "can you do that again"?
Depends. Some tricks look better the second time. For those, just do it.
For those that can't, just say "wait wait wait... pause... watch... pause.. and proceed to next trick". Just like what cyril always does.
2. the spectator said, "You didn't put the card in the middle leh.." (eg during an ACR)?
"really?" (give a mischevious 'nice try' look and continue my other tricks)
3. you are doing a coin routine and the spectator said, "it's in the other hand..."?
"maybe". then secretly get rid of the coin and continue to clinch the fist as if something is in there. Try to act badly as if you are trying to conceal the coin in your hand secretly making htem all the more sure the coin is there. They will surely ask again for you to open your hands. Just open and say " I told you there was nothing?"
Either that or just say "really"? If you know then I don't have to explain anything to you. Chances are.. they are just randomly spouting the slightest suspicion they have and your "really" makes them think their guess is wrong.
4. people turned over cards that shouldn't be turned at that time? (eg. 2 Card Monte)
Chide them for not obeying and then pretend that it does not affect your trick. Use the turned card and card change infront of them.
5. spectator said, "No leh, you only showed 3 cards.." while you did an Elmsley.
say "If you think you know how it's done, then there is no need for me to explain to you how to do it." They will start pestering you to explain to them abd forget about 3 cards. Then deal with them the way you will deal with any line from a heckler.