I wonder anyone here has read this book called "The Game" by Neil Strauss. It's supposed to be a true account on how the author became a successful PickUp Artist (picking up girls). Quite an interesting story (I said story because I do not think it's 100% true), only I think the book contains some very questionable value and view points.

Anyway, one of the tools (of a PickUp Artist) mentioned inside the book is magic. In fact, the author had this mentor nicknamed Mystery (you can actually find this guy online, search for Mystery Method or seduction) who was a "accomplished illusionist".

Basically, he would used the "think of a number from 1 to 10" trick as the opener, then he would use cold-reading to try to guess the background of the "prey". After the "prey" got interested, he would performed some bottle levitation to amaze them even further.

So what do you guys think about using magic in such purposes?

and..

-does cold reading really work? anybody here ever used it?
-anybody here ever uses hypnosis in your performance?

well... for what i feel right. MOST Singapore girls are not very interested in magic somehow, maybe is the way i show my magic but this is the way i feel. But in US, i think the girls there are "easy" as compare to Singapore girls. Eg look at all the reaction they get in US but in SIngapore is like "uh okay" you might want to argue that silent is stronger then screams but some of them is really not interested at all. Singapore girls look out for money,looks and brains not magic! haha then again thats what i think ^_^

I've tried to get girls interested in my magic tricks......but all they are interested in is bringing me home. :huh:
It's very discouraging. :huh:


:ph43r:

:g: Thats a really good one Aloy, and to think NING is reading this.hahaaha. wished I had your skills!

Its an interesting book. I think its true, just that it has been presented in a very biased way to create an interesting and juicy story.

The magic that pickup artists use is not really to pickup the girls, but more to gain the attention of the group that the girl is in. When the magician has the attention of the group, he then becomes the "Alpha Male" (or something like that.. can't really remember), then the girl becomes interested in him.

I don't think cold reading is really magic, more psychology. Its not really anything magical.

Singaporeans in general are much less receptive to magic than Americans (from what the book says.. never seen magic performed real life to Americans before). In Singapore, everything is just attributed to "fast hands" or "fake bottle la", even if the bottle is actually real, and your hands didn't do anything. American girls are supposedly very interested in anything "mystical" or mysterious.

The key to picking up girls with magic is to do a very short, quick and impressive trick to them, and then suggestively ask if they wanna go back with you to your place to see your "magic wand". :ph43r:


Ok ok...more seriously. ^_^
I think picking up/hitting on girls is an inate thing in the particular person. It's more of a personality trait than a skill you learn.

If you are the type of character that can/will hit on girls, you will be doing it successfully with or without magic.
If you are NOT the type that can/will pick up girls, you will not be able to do it even if you can do all of Cyril's impossible effects.
But i suppose if you are already the type that can successfully hit on girls, it will help A BIT to be able to do a few tricks.

So end of the day, my opinion, magic will do nothing to help you with your success with girls, dispite what Ellusionist tried to have you believe. B)


Having said all that, I have an anytime, anywhere effect that is PERFECT for getting a girl's number and giving her your number at the same time in the most natural way. ;)
Who wanna pre-order? :lol:

Or you all can ask David Lai how to ask a girl out for movies within 15 mins of meeting her. He the expert. :!!: B)

David Lai makes James Bond look like a boy scout.

Totally... :wub: :wub: :wub:

This is going the eaxct way as it is in the MMF forums. Damn....I am definitely going to market an ebook soon and quote you guys...then you know! hmmph. :P

just make sure you spell my name right. ;)
H,I,S, R,O,Y,A,L,H,I,G,H,N,E,S,S,....

I went to camp and made a sponge ball disappear and appear from no where at about 1 am? The girls screamed and felt afraid of me then. :P Saying it's scary.

My thoughts on Pick UP Magic. I`m not too sure on how Singaporean Gals react or how they differ from Malaysian gals though.

I never position myself as a magician in front of a gal. NEVER at the 1st point of contact. Somehow I feel,it really isn`t that of an attraction to introduce yourself as a magician. I just do it,not telling that it is MAGIC that I'm showing.

For example, there is this movie called LOVE is MAGIC by a Korean magician.
He parks his car behind a pretty lady`s car at a car park(double park),put`s his hp number on his car sticker, and waits for the lady to call. When the lady does call him, he already has the lady`s number. When he comes back to his car,he pretends to find his keys and says he losts it. He then magically produces it .The gal is amazed and he gets to keep her number. ^_^

Don`t say `Can I show you some magic?' Just do it with a valid reason. When you say can I show you some magic without a reason , in other words just to impress, make sure you look damn good and have a great body...or not reactions will go down the drain.

At the malls when you see a really stunning gal eating at the bench or looking at clothes by the shop window.. How do you use magic to get to know her? Go back home, get a tag (I use a Calrsberg tag since I did a show for them before) wear it, and introduce yourself as free entertainment in the mall. Thats the best reason to show her magic and in your routine ,get her e-mail.(I never ask a gals number because she`ll feel more secure with e-mails for the 1st time) .At current times, no company has yet sued me for wearing their logos and no managers has yet chased me out of their restaurant for providing free entertainment.

Another favourite of mine is this . Buy a rubber duck that when you squeze it, it makes that irritating squeeling sound. Get the whistle out and put it in your mouth so the ducks only makes the squeeling sound when you blow the whistle . The whistle is so small that it`s hidden in your mouth . Let her press the duck a few times and you control when the duck squeels and when it doesn`t. It`s so fun to do at the beach.=)

That are some of the fun routines to meet gals .On dates it`s a whole different story. I personally use cold reading and a boon writer with a peek wallet. I also now use KIOKU . Something intimate. Even at the dinner,I never position myself as a magician, and I`m never touchy . I don`t purposely do sponge balls to touch a gals hand .I don`t think gals are that naive to not think this guy is purposely doing this to touch my hands . At least not on a 1st date. It`s different for Aloy because they want to bring HIm back....hmm

Another lame one is this,which I once did. Me and a few adults were at a restaurant and in walk a few beautiful gals. I asked the waiter to pass them a deck of cards wrapped with a napkin with a message ` think of any card and write it down here '.....it`s an invisible deck,you go figure out yourself from there.

Magic is sure a good way of meeting people , for both sexes ,taking into consideration the females in the forum ...but thats that..meeting people and making the 1st contact, a very huge advantage for that reason.

I`ve said this before, if you`re an ass,you`re still an ass even if you know how to center or bottom deal . If you really want to pick up gals, work on yourself 1st, then work on your magic .

Just my humble opinion.
-David
mods,please delete my previous post, the english was horrible.

Magic can be used as an ice breaker, a firestarter, something you use to attract attention for a bit, if you choose to do so.

I believe, we shall also stop there. We are more than our cards, sleights, moves, paddles, misdirection, gimmicks and magic ego.

Wah piang eh....u all see David's post.....

This guy is part time magician and full time player :!!:

Indeed.. It's almost as if his life is about picking up girls with magic.
lol.
lol.
lol.
*poof*
I've been turned into a frog.
*ribbit ribbit*
(waiting for some girl to kiss me and turn me into a prince.)

Ha.. Looks like we have our very own "Mystery" among us...

So David, when are you going to conduct a workshop on this?

Say hello to Mr. Magic!


"Hey there Gorgeous. Pick a card. Any card..."

Hmm... What if the guy above comes up to you and does amazing magic. Chick magnet? :P

(By the way, for the record, I love Steve Buschemi. Brilliant actor.)


And thanks David for the post! *scribble notes*

Hey... from what I discovered over the years is that a guy don't have to be too good looking to be attractive.

YOu just have to be...

1. Rich! (and better if you are armed with a Gimmick called Car)
or

2. Talented! (Hey magic is a talent!!)
or

3. Well-toned! (A muscular body takes a lot of attention off your face, if you aren't exactly Brad Pitt material. It's called Misdirection.)

4. Sweet talker! (As we always said, the Platter is important too!)

Ok, a bit out-of-point...

Waaah, if my life is all about picking up gals finish la.
I do read alot on the subject and practice often though , practice as in going up to talk to gals and asking what they like and don`t . I'm a daily restaurant magician and set up dates for people at the company I work for....so must read a lot on the subject la... I don't think I'm allowed to post my company's website in the forum so I will leave it at that. But it's runned by me and 2 other magicians plus a secretary.

What we do is this:
We set up dates for people. Let us say you bring your gal for your anniversary ( or it is your first date with her ). We make you LOOK pretty darn good .We give you the whole upstairs of the restaurant .Set up a table with candles everywhere upstairs , have al live band sing for you on the stage , and while waiting for your food ,do magic that is related to LOVE making the gal the superstar of the nite . We then do a lucky draw ,we have the gal write anything she wants in the mall.... in my trusty THOUGHT TRANSMITTER,hehe(I always say something the guy can give la,afterward ask for a car...), have her keep it ,and at the end of dinner the guy will produce the gift for her .

I just did a date for a couple today and it went really well .The gal wrote `earings' in the THOUGHT TRANSMITTER .I rushed to get those and secretly passed the earings to the guy during one of the routines ........her reactions were priceless .....fuuh..and after dinner , the guy just walks out of the restaurnat without paying the bill ,the gal was like...wat d???? (Of course he settled the day before)......

Oh well, thats what I do, and I like it!!! There many more packages apart from that!!

So David, or Mr. Lai... *ahem*... Erm... Will your company accept Singaporean clients too? Not to say that I would like to try something like this... No. No. No. No. I get all the female attention I want. Yea. *cough* :unsure:

But hey! That's really a bloody good concept there! From what you described, the magic blends in smoothly with the "date" and everything IS geared towards making the guy look good. Wow. Really fantastic stuff you have there...

When you come down to KL with your gal (or guy), give me a buzz , :D , we only do it at Kl at the moment being . hehe

hey, i think Cold reading will work on girls!
i've seen it done before and if you do it well, i believe it will work definitely!
It'll be a good start i'm sure

:off:
The title just happened to remind me of something.. The Game of Pickup Magic.
Just reminds me..

Guy: How much do you weigh?
Gal: Why do you ask?
Guy: So I'll know if it's easy to Pick you Up~

:P Sorry~ Don't wack me. Amen. -_-

Cold reading is a very ancient technique. As in... really very very old. Used to con laypeople of their money :P

I personally feel that using magic to pick-up girls is just another fancy way to do it. And maybe one of the factors would be your general appearance. Magic can really spark an interest from the other party. Of course, not those freaky effects. But rather effects that are as powerful yet doesn't freak people out ( Swallowing some sharp stuffs or pulling a coin out of your wrist.)

Then again, if you look like William Hung. We have a problem.

If you guys want to pick up girls, Firestarter DVD by Jay Sankey is excellent. He give good tips that get you email addresses, information whehter they are available, etc. Romantic tricks like getting 2 drawn hearts on a card to collide and link together, etc. He give tips on presentation and flirting, etc.

Of course I don't use this to pick up girls, but when I do these tricks to my close friends, they go nuts. I don't understand why it is said that Singaporean girls do not like magic. I LOVE DOING magic to girls. If anything, when I choose someone to volunteer for magic in a crowd, I always choose a girl. Girls (in general) tend to have larger reactions and express their emotions better. Helps to "excite" the rest of my friends too.

Hmm, in my opinion.. I find that showing girls magic is much more better than showing guys. Just my opinion, reactions i've got so far were good, no silence. Haha. So i believe that girls are interested maybe only depends on the way you present and the way they perceive.

Who knows, they might be thinking how the hell did you do that, but since nobody's clapping or cheering i'll better not be indifferent.

Firestarter is really quite cool, this is how i got together with mt GF, using so of the material of fire starter.. its a KILLER< i like the one that uses invinsible deck, i helps you to date her out again... super cool, another one is the heart of flash paper effect, super cool!!!!

Anyway, i feel that all you need to do is to just focus on your patter and her, your effect is secondary... show your sincerity... :D

Crap

Do you really want them to come to Singapore? Think about it. If too many people know about this in Singapore, it would be less special. imagine if it appears in the newspaper. Better if it is in Malaysia, then when you go over and present your gf with it, it will be new and novel to her.

David, has any girl use your services before? Company service... that is.

Hi guys i'm new to the forum , but i have actually read more about pickup then magic LOL so here's my 2cents of the pickup material

I've read The Game by Neil strauss and from there have researched up on mystery , deangleo , NLP ( ross jefferies ) techniques and i think the most important thing is to be open to all the ideas and find those that suit ur personality the best instead of completely trying to change urself straight off.

For example , i know the "neg" is not something people are comfortable with doing...so why not use cocky funny to chat up a girl. The Mystery Method is like a backdoor method where u move in undetected by the target , and cocky funny is like the complete opposite, so choose which method u want

but the most important thing whatever method u use is to show value. and it could be magic or being in a band or successful business man etc etc but whatever it is u need to know how to demostrate to the target that u're worth their time

hope this helps. and please read The Game 1st before moving on to any of this other techniques

This book sounds really interesting. Just wondering, are these books available at local stores?

Yep. You can find them in most bookstores.