OK, a friend recommended Watch Magic by Oz Pearlman to me. There is this move called the SAC move that interests me. It's actually a move meant to do the trick, Oreo Sandwich, shown in the demo.

I just want to know, from anyone who bought the Dvd or know this move:

1. Is the Dvd worth it? I mean, are the tricks inside generally rely on sleights or do they need very elaborate set-ups or gimmicks?

2. Is the SAC move practical? Or is it very angle sensitive and look good on video only?

ermm, dude, perhaps this is the wrong section? ^_^ Watch magic in a Card magic section? i think this should go to magic reviews ;)

Aaron

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Erm DOOD. If you took just a bit of time (about 20 seconds) to google the title instead of shooting off a reply without knowing anything, you might realise that the DVD muscleaxl is talking about is a DVD of card magic, not watch magic.

As a magician, I'm sure you'll understand how "appearances can deceive"? Don't expect to be spoon-fed everything man...

Furthermore, muscleaxl isn't just asking about whether the DVD is good or not, but also asking a more specific question about a specific sleight; it's applications and implications, so I for one think the thread is fine in the Card Magic sub-forum.

(Yea I know it's a nasty little reply from me but seriously man... Just do a search before you post and you wouldn't have shown everyone your ignorance. Now observe as I proceed to bite the head off a bat, a lion, and a blue whale. I'm bad. Raar.)

I don't recommend the DVD. Nothing really against Penguin or Oz; the move does what it is meant to do, but the execution is not natural and it looks fishy from the front. I personally don't like it. There are other more effective ways to do the same (assuming you know what the SAC move does).

Anyway, I won't pay for it (oops... translate that to - I won't BUY it). I find most of the effects well executed but poorly constructed. Many of them require the use of our 'favourite' NFW gimmick... and I'm sure that fools everyone *rolls eyes*. And most of the effects require some setup or other - what I call 'one off' effects.

Yeah, I agree with Shade. Watch Magic is not going to be in your all-time great magic DVD. I think the most useful move in that video is the KM Move. That's all.

Frankly speaking, the effects are nothing more to shout about. Given his calibre, Oz Pearlman should produce a much better DVD.

yeah, i agree too.

Aaron: Take it easy ya ^_^ Maddened was just poking at you. Maddened, relax bro. I'm sure its an innocent mistake from Aaron. Need not bite his head off. Haha.. :lol:

Ok back to topic. I was discussing with Axl previously about Sandwiching effects. He mentioned Oreo sandwich to me and I found out that it was accomplished thorough the use of the SAC move. This move really baffles me. I know this move is taught in Stealing Pips and its is used extensively in the effects of Stealing Pips.

If Card experts here can enlighten me, may I know what does SAC stand for? And what does this SAC move accomplish. Pls note that I'm NOT asking how to execute this move. I'm just asking what is the effect of this move? If by mentioning the effect would risk exposing the method, pls ignore my questions.

Thanks Everyone ^_^

PS: Mods, I'm not sure if this leads to exposure of method. Appreciate If you could comment 1st before others start posting. If it does lead to exposure, my apologies. Pls delete it away immediately. Thanks :D

SAC move is a method used to hide a face-up or different coloured card in a spread.

I think what you said is quite a contradiction in itself. If a particular move baffles you and it is that very move that is central in providing the impact of a particular effect, then telling you WHAT the move does also gives away the method to the effect which is, in my opinion, just as bad as exposure. If you found the effect truly baffling, and really like it, then BUY it. And learn it. I think it would be detrimental to the integrity of any self-respecting card worker to answer that.

Otherwise, do ask yourself - what is your need to know?

woots, ok my bad. will search next time. :lol: No need to work yourself up.

oh and jerome, i agree that there is a lil contradiction in your post. haha ^_^

Aaron

Hi Shade,

First of all, appreciate your comments. Thank you.

Now, I like to mention that I too am a strict practitioner of this art and I’m glad you notice that my question was a question of WHAT and not a question of HOW. Whether by answering WHAT this effect does, jeopardizes the fact that it would constitute to the exposure of an effect is a thin red line. Firstly, I do not know what the SAC move is about, who even invented it and what it even involves. Secondly, by mentioning what a move accomplishes does not naturally lead to exposure. For example, I can say that this effect requires a Bobo Switch that switches the 2 coins. Anyone who has no idea what Bobo switch is about will only know that this is a move to switch coins but does that mean he or she can execute it exactly without knowing HOW to do it? I seriously doubt that. Thirdly, I mentioned very tactfully that if by mentioning what this move does, you’ll that feel it leads to exposure, please simply ignore my questions. In addition, I’ve requested that our Mods to comment and even delete my post if deemed necessary.

Lastly, I respect your opinion Shade and I’m glad we are having this discussion. I’m not here to undermine the integrity of this Art and I respect this Art as much as anyone here. Thanks again for your comments

Best Rgds
Jerome

Oops; on re-reading my post, I suppose it comes off as a little harsh. I wasn't planning on being offensive, so I apologise if somehow it sounded that way to some.

Anyway, I don't disagree with you when it comes to some effects - in certain effects, what a move does will not compromise the effect's method. But in this case - the SAC move being central to the METHOD of the effect - telling you WHAT it does, is also the same as giving away the method of the effect. We all know there's always a fine line to walk whenever we're discussing effects - this is one of them.

In your example, you gave the bobo Switch for switching two coins. Taken out of the context of an effect, you're right - it probably means nothing to anyone who doesn't know what the Bobo switch does. But within the context of an effect that USES the Bobo Switch, you would be giving away an idea to HOW an effect is carried out.

I just wanted to clarify this since there seems to be a lot of confusion between what constitutes as exposure and what doesn't sometimes. Honestly, I'm not sure where to draw the line myself at times (haha - nobody's perfect); but I follow a strict rule of thumb - whenever in doubt, just do without. I'd rather just not know. I'd rather just not say.

Again, I meant no offense; and I respect that you're trying to keep this art going in the right direction.

Hi Shade,

No worries dude :) I know you meant no offence. We all meant well in sharing what we know and its all for this amazing art. ^_^

Thanks for understanding where I’m coming from. As you mention, I do agree with you that there are a lot of confusion between what constitutes to exposure and what’s not. At times, I’m quite apprehensive at revealing somethings as well. We all learn from experiences and I’m really glad that we shared this discussion. I’m sure anyone who reads this thread can have your rule of thumb in mind. Good job my friend ^_^ Hope we would have a chance to jam at one of the meetup sessions here.

PS: I like your nick. I guess it's inspired by Daniel Garcia? :lol:

Best Rgds
Jerome

Ditto to the jamming.

Actually I don't like Garcia; My handle was given to me almost 10 years ago when I was a fanatic gamer. Many guys here think it means 'cover' as in the gambler's term for misdirection, but actually, I'm using its other meaning. A 'Shade' is a 'Spirit' or 'Wraith'. ;)

I personally think that born to perform is a much better dvd produced by oz. Anyway the SAC move is covered in there if i remember correctly.

Actually I believe its in Stealing Pips not Born to Perform.