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Title: Card Manipulation
Description: Producing cards from nowhere


The Orientalist - November 17, 2004 01:33 AM (GMT)
Hi Guys,

Anyone doing cards manipulations?
I wish to learn to produce cards from nowhere.
When I saw Juliana Chen performance, I like her cards manipulations very much.
Anyone perform like her? Let me know.

BuaYa - November 17, 2004 02:18 AM (GMT)
Hey. You know about the Julinana Chen deck? I'll go Take a pic of it now... BTW, it costed me 30 + dolaars/

BuaYa - November 17, 2004 02:27 AM (GMT)
Sorry guys. I couldn't upload it here, its on my website. www.magicjustin.blogspot.com. (see the right hand side of the website, there's a "link".

The Orientalist - November 17, 2004 02:35 AM (GMT)
Hi BuaYa,

do you do cards manipulation? I love to learn from you.

I do not have any DVD or VCD on card Manipulation. Do you have them?
I like to learn them as soon as possible. Age is catching up.

BuaYa - November 17, 2004 02:37 AM (GMT)
Hmmm. Videos... Not really eh.

Ning - November 17, 2004 03:23 AM (GMT)
Speaking about Juliana Chen, i like her chinese mask changing routine which she did to kick start her routine... would you happen to perform that, Orientalist? ^_^

TheMaestro - November 17, 2004 03:51 AM (GMT)
I think card manipulation is hard man.

Anyway I suppose you could learn from the Jeff Mcbridge videos/DVDs.

I currently have the Romaine set but I find not very good.

And if you're really brave you could borrow Jean Hugard's card manipulations from the library and try to learn from there :)

The Orientalist - November 17, 2004 03:58 AM (GMT)
Hi Ning,

Can't do the mask change now! Maybe later or future or not even do that.

Hi guys,

Does anyone here in SMC can produce cards like Juliana Chen? I mean the exact same way that she handled the cards? If you do, please teach me.


TheMaestro - November 17, 2004 04:15 AM (GMT)
I don't think I've seen her perform but I expect that she'd have probably used more than one method of producing cards.

I suppose if you want to work on card production you could start with back-palming, which I'm trying to learn now :)

Russell - November 17, 2004 08:20 AM (GMT)
I think Romaine's skill with the card manipulation is good, but find his teaching is not very good.

Winder - November 17, 2004 08:29 AM (GMT)
For teaching, stick with Jeff Mcbride. Think he's still good with it ~

JasonL - November 17, 2004 01:48 PM (GMT)
Card manipulation is fun! But unfortunately it is not for everyone. Takes a lot of time and patience to learn and you gotta like it. Not suitable for performance anywhere too.

For those who want to learn, try getting Jeff Mcbride's DVDs, very useful and detailed. Learned from there too! For variety, check out Jeff Sheredan's(dunno if i got the name correct but he's Mcbride's teacher) videos.

There are many brands of manipulation cards in the market. Personally I just use ordinary BEE decks.

Aloy - November 17, 2004 05:07 PM (GMT)
Singapore magicians Lawrence Khong and Pricillia Khong are supposed to be quite good at it, them working with Jeff McBride and all. But i haven't seen their performances so i dun really know.

Not sure if they can do it as well as Juliana Chen thou, she didn't win the manipulation competition thing for nothing.

The Orientalist - November 18, 2004 07:58 AM (GMT)
Hi Guys,

Please do not worry fo me on card manipulation.

I am practising the move to produce cards like Juliana Chen. I am not sure whether the same move she uses. But the cards did appear from no where.

It 80% look the same. I cannot do with left hand. Maybe need to practise for a year.
With the right hand, I need maybe six month to master.
Need to find proper card to do manipulation. Mmaybe Bridge size better. Poker too big. My hand too small.

Kevin - November 18, 2004 08:02 AM (GMT)
ANYWAYS, this might help:

CLICK HERE, HERE, HERE!!!!

WOOT, WOOT.

-Kev

Ning - November 18, 2004 08:38 AM (GMT)
Nice!!! So manipulation cards are the size of a bridge deck?

See, bridge decks aren't just for girls ^_^

The Orientalist - November 18, 2004 09:40 AM (GMT)
Not really,

I cannot do with poker size. but some magicians can. Depend on the size of the hands.

The Orientalist - November 18, 2004 09:46 AM (GMT)
Hi Kelvin,

do you know who else sell these manipulation cards beside the one you've mentioned?
I really need to buy one deck to try whether I can do it.

TheMaestro - November 18, 2004 10:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ning @ Nov 18 2004, 04:38 PM)
Nice!!! So manipulation cards are the size of a bridge deck?

See, bridge decks aren't just for girls ^_^

Actually the small size of bridge cards have nothing to do with hand size.

Bridge cards are smaller because of the way the game is played. In duplicate bridge, multiple people play the same hand and how this is done is by putting the cards in the pockets of these things called boards. Bridge cards are necessarily smaller in size for them to fit in the pockets :)

Russell - November 18, 2004 01:38 PM (GMT)
Did some research maestro? You were asking what they were for a few days ago

JasonL - November 20, 2004 10:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Orientalist @ Nov 18 2004, 03:58 PM)
Mmaybe Bridge size better. Poker too big. My hand too small.

The size of the cards does not really matter in card manipulation. I have really small hands too! A common remark made by people when they see magic techniques such as palmings, vanishings or manipulation is "wow you've got big hands!" If they really hold out their palms and make a comparison, you realise that they have hands the same size, or bigger. It's the practise and patience and technique that makes the manipulation beautiful and deceptive! hope you have fun with it!

yujie - November 26, 2004 04:45 PM (GMT)
how abt peter marvey? this guy is god. he produces cards with his fingers wide open, so split fan method is not possible......... & he is not wearing any jacket....... his finale was a production of a jumbo human-size card castle.....wowowowow.......



yujie

ReDeFiNe - December 3, 2004 02:19 AM (GMT)
I feel for card manipulation commercially performed should eliminate back palming as it would expose the secret of the effect..usually event shows have people all around...

I personally performs card manipulation commercially...I mainly perform card fans flourishes and also fans production from palm then toss in the air..one highlight would be cards shooting into the audience ala jeff mcbride and kids always love picking up the cards...I do a 9 card manipulation sequence production ..and uses card foutain and fan of cards to top hat as a gimmick to end the routine...I use to perform a card castle...(Ton Onosaka produced the best ones..)

I think commercial card manipulation is towards this direction to present a neat and non -secret exposure routine...

Best,
Jeremy Pei

zinally - December 11, 2004 02:20 AM (GMT)
The manipulation on producing & vanishing card routine can be perform efficiently with special kind of card sell at magic store. Advisable that the performing should be done on stage performance not street magic. basically it began with fewer card and reload it to more card at stragic location in your jacket (Not be able to tell u where). Basic palming, back palm, tenkai, spring card probbably add in hovering card and boomering card is a good routine. :D

GordonLi - December 28, 2004 06:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ReDeFiNe @ Dec 3 2004, 10:19 AM)
I feel for card manipulation commercially performed should eliminate back palming as it would expose the secret of the effect..usually event shows have people all around...

I personally performs card manipulation commercially...I mainly perform card fans flourishes and also fans production from palm then toss in the air..one highlight would be cards shooting into the audience ala jeff mcbride and kids always love picking up the cards...I do a 9 card manipulation sequence production ..and uses card foutain and fan of cards to top hat as a gimmick to end the routine...I use to perform a card castle...(Ton Onosaka produced the best ones..)

I think commercial card manipulation is towards this direction to present a neat and non -secret exposure routine...

Best,
Jeremy Pei

agreed, but back palming is one of the first few stuff u learn for card manipulation and many manipulation acts revolve around this method.

GordonLi - December 29, 2004 05:06 PM (GMT)
in fact, i was extremely disgusted by a street magician's performer during the Singapore Buskers Festival this yr. he (owen lean) did card manipulation as his opener on the streets, surrounded! when questioned, he actually claimed its not exposure as ppl from the back wont know what the heck he's doing anyway...

tham - January 6, 2005 01:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Orientalist @ Nov 17 2004, 09:33 AM)
Hi Guys,

Anyone doing cards manipulations?
I wish to learn to produce cards from nowhere.
When I saw Juliana Chen performance, I like her cards manipulations very much.
Anyone perform like her? Let me know.

hmm.. which part of the routine are you referring to? she does several card productions.. the one where she starts shooting out cards? or earlier?

Freddy - January 6, 2005 07:40 PM (GMT)
if you want to use cards for Manipulations use Bee's Club 92 or Steamboats they hold powder very well.......................Jeff McBride is the best teacher for learning. I have taken the Master Class with Jeff as a teacher when I was a mere child. and I have been doing sleight of hand manipulations for about 12 years now.......... Btw Jeff McBrides mentor was the great Cardini, who was also Jeff Sheridan's teacher............. I wish I had a camera to upload videos I would help you out 100% Maybe I will pick one up today :-)

Freddy

Freddy - January 6, 2005 07:44 PM (GMT)
as far as Julienna Chen, I dont like her handling of the cards at all, they are just c-cupped in her hands (thumb crotch up her index fingers) Yuck!!!! she is however the greatest boomerang cardd thrower that I have ever seen, watch her on WGM and she just slings 3-4 cards at a time from each hand out to the audience and they come back to here EXCELLENT work Jullienna :wub:

Freddy

LarryDK - March 30, 2005 05:55 PM (GMT)
Wow.. those deck are nice.. but quite expensive.. Hmm.. consider they have alot of advantage.. i think it will be worth it..

JasonL - April 7, 2005 02:12 PM (GMT)
The "production" used by Juliana Chen is from the Chavez Course in Magic now handled by Dale Salswek (SP) , it is called the 'pop up' card production.

If you really want to learn card manipulation I strongly suggest Jeff Mcbride's Card Manipulation DVDs as well as Jeff Sheridan's. I have both and have learnt a great deal from them. You might also want to check out the new Tony Clark's DVD.

About cards, personally I use the normal Bee decks you can get from most convenience stores. But they take a little breaking into and is generally harder to handle. But I like them because they are bigger and easier to see and they really really last.

I also have Norm Nielson's Manipulation cards. They are bridge size, you can almost back palm the whole deck and they have pips on all four corners so it doesn't matter if you are fanning it forward or backwards. Downside is if you are going to drop the cards on stage and leave like that you'll end up spending a lot on cards. Unless of course you are a rich guy like Pambudi... ^_^

XxdiabloxX - April 8, 2005 01:45 PM (GMT)
WOW!! i learnt so much from this!!! so fun! teach mi more! i also interested in manipulation! wow impressed :!!:

Blackwing - May 8, 2005 03:28 AM (GMT)
Hmm maybe its just me but I don't like Julianna Chen's card productions. They way she holds them is just eeeE! I prefer Jeff Mcbride.

tham - May 8, 2005 07:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (JasonL @ Apr 7 2005, 10:12 PM)
I also have Norm Nielson's Manipulation cards. They are bridge size, you can almost back palm the whole deck and they have pips on all four corners so it doesn't matter if you are fanning it forward or backwards. Downside is if you are going to drop the cards on stage and leave like that you'll end up spending a lot on cards. Unless of course you are a rich guy like Pambudi... ^_^

haha. these card are the SH*T man. fans like a dream, really flexible, flesh-coloured for um.. extra protection? haha.

but once they're bent.. it's really hard to bend them back into their original shape without compressing it. and they're really easy to tear/burn/crimp/fold/crush. in other words, only use if you're rich, or perform professionally.

Ben - June 2, 2005 03:21 PM (GMT)
I soften my bike cards and apply fanning powder on them. Managed to master back-palming single card production in about 2 weeks. Pretty cool stuff. Once you get used to producing one card, you can try to produce 10 cards at one go. Believe me, there's a great sense of satisfaction after you managed to produce 10 cards at one go.

This production is definately meant for stage magic. I tried to demonstrate it to a few friends close-up. Although the effect ain't as great, but it still amazes people.

BlUeCoWz - October 12, 2005 05:43 PM (GMT)
Julianna Chen might be using a ken Brooke's single production but will need to check out Jeff's vids on card manipulation. he's the pro..
yup.. the snap change is also very good.. yea.. but the single
but still the back palm is still the nicest and hardest... :D

yea.. but card manipulation has angles!!! so pls dun spoil market by blindly doing it as close up... it spoils magic for you, and for others.
thanx

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