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Xtreme - November 19, 2004 03:40 AM (GMT)
anione done e trick b4? prob with me is bout the folding of the bills.. sheesh.. and presenting it.. i onli present to my frens one or two times.. cuz i screwed up in frnt of the mirror .. anone hav good advice?

illusionist - November 19, 2004 04:38 AM (GMT)
Practice and practice I have an advice from my friend is use a 50 dollar bill and a 10 dollar bill to do it lol... :D

Xtreme - November 19, 2004 05:13 AM (GMT)
ya la.. but hor.. the 50 bucks the f***(EDITED DUE TO EXPOSURE) can be seen after unfold lei.. so ppl will suspect one ma...

illusionist - November 19, 2004 05:19 AM (GMT)
Try not to get too new bill lah get a little old an cumpy bill.. :D

SeNgHoE - November 19, 2004 04:50 PM (GMT)
VISUAL /// haa.. the 1st time i saw the demo .. FLOORED.. good trick.. forgot how to do liao.. got the * f*** haha.

Xtreme - November 19, 2004 05:56 PM (GMT)
actually bills shld be crisp.. otherwise effect no good.. hmm.. still trying work on that... spore bills r too small.. LOL :(

Moondust - November 20, 2004 05:26 PM (GMT)
I would like to stress through my experience that performing GhostBills does not rely on the technical handling alone. Misdirection constitutes to at least 60% of the success of this trick. If done well, it's NEVER detectable.

Here's the thing you need to know if you perform GhostBills (instructions are for right-handers, reverse if you are left-handed).

Perform it with a $50 and a $10. The $50 is where you do the "move." It's less obvious with a $50 because if you use the ten, the length difference becomes too darn conspicous.

Pretend that you are doing something fishy with the $10 by making it seem difficult to fold it, and in actual fact, you're rigging the $50.

Fold the $50 in half first. After that, fold the $10 into half lengthwise. Next, take the $10 into your left hand and LOOK at the $10 and begin folding the $10 into quarters with your left hand, while keeping the $50 in your right. Looking at the $10 allows your spectators to look at the left as well. Then do the "move" with your $50 on the right. But because the "move" is done one handed, you'll probably need to make adjustments to make sure the "move" is executed properly right? Now bring two hands together and adjust the $50 under the guise of folding the $10 with both hands. No one will notice anything because everything is covered by your fingers now. Look at how Andrew Mayne does it at this point.

Next, when you perform the effect at its final stage when you melt the bills thru one another, do the same thing as before. LOOK at the $10! Complete the melt by yanking the $10 AWAY from the $50 (the hand holding the $50 should remain still while the other hand yanks the $10 away in an exaggerated movement). Immediately unfold BOTH bills at the same time with the respective hands. This allows you to straighten out the folds on the $50 and if done correctly, all attention will be diverted to the $10.

Use crisp bills because they are not crinkled, can slide easily and you can make deep folds onto them. Crisp bills will also "snap" slightly when you yank the two apart, attracting the attention to the $10 like bees to honey.

I have NEVER been caught using this presentation. Even after I hand the bills back, the creases can still be felt on the $50. But trust me; if you do it the way I suggested, your spectators will be busting their brains trying to figure out how you rigged the $10 to created this effect. The $50 will be completely left out of the picture due to the psychological effect your misdirection has created. It will seem as if the $50 never even existed!


Moondust - November 20, 2004 05:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Xtreme @ Nov 19 2004, 01:13 PM)
ya la.. but hor.. the 50 bucks the f*** can be seen after unf***
(EDITED DUE TO EXPOSURE) lei.. so ppl will suspect one ma...

You haven't been practicing your misdirection. That is the most important thing in the trick. I stressed on that when I taught you.

The concept's simple, but the misdirection requires practice. Do it again and again in front of the mirror until you're confident that they won't bother about the $50. Just remember how you felt when I first performed it to you. You didn't think that the trick lies in the $50 right?

You're right, they can trace the cre****, so don't waste your time performing it if your misdirection isn't good enough. Get the misdirection executed perfectly BEFORE you perform, because that is the very essence of this trick. DO NOT treat GhostBills as a self-working trick. Treat it like a manipulation or sleight-of-hand. Do it the way I do and they will NEVER be able to figure out the secret of this beautiful effect.

Please lah bro. This is one of the best bill-melting routine ever created and I taught it to you for free. Don't tip the gaff because of lack of practice.

Good luck!

Xtreme - November 21, 2004 07:23 AM (GMT)
haha.. but the ppl i performed in front of still could not figure out la.. nvm.. will prac more.. hoo hooo.. ^_^

Xtreme - November 22, 2004 05:04 AM (GMT)
you always have a way out huh bro.. ^_^

Moondust - November 22, 2004 02:17 PM (GMT)
Everything's what you make it out to be. Unfortunately, after the clean-up, you'll need to borrow a different set of bills to perform again. Doesn't matter... I don't encourage performing it more than once anyway.

Moondust - November 22, 2004 05:15 PM (GMT)
Watch it. You're close to exposure liao ;)

Xtreme - November 22, 2004 07:36 PM (GMT)
wee.... ok... haha.. guess it right .. :lol:

Moondust - November 22, 2004 07:50 PM (GMT)
No, you guessed it wrong. I'm just telling you not to go into further detail or risk exposure.

Don't you think it's silly to borrow 2 crisp bills, do a beautiful effect like GhostBills, crumple them up and then return them to the owner?! :rolleyes:

My final phase is much more tactful. Be patient and I'll teach you the next time we meet.

Lastly, instead of trying to guess what I've come up with, challenge the limits by being creative. Try to come up with your own method to counter the problem. That way we can swop ideas and keep improving. You have to be imaginative and stop relying on me to give you the solution to every problem. I'm sure you're capable of doing much better.

Good luck!


Xtreme - November 22, 2004 07:56 PM (GMT)
LOL!!!!!!!! :lol: okie.... the only thing i do with my cards now is DLs ... need alot prac.. can't seem get it right..

hey bro.... i am only a novice in magic.. give me more time to be creative... i will try la :)

Moondust - November 22, 2004 08:24 PM (GMT)
You're a novice, yes. But so am I. I don't consider myself some hot-shot expert in card magic. I only started back on magic a couple of months before you did.

Don't let your lack of knowledge stop you from being creative. We all suffer from a lack of knowledge. Since when is knowledge ever enough? Just use whatever we have now to come up with something unique.

It can be done easily if you put in a little more effort. If you don't believe me, I'll come up with a routine using ONLY the techniques that I taught you so far (actually, I taught you a lot already. You just don't realise it yet).

You'll be surprised how good an effect you can get with just simple techniques and a little creativity.

Nicholas - December 12, 2004 05:27 PM (GMT)
everyone here is talking about the ghost bills ... i have seen the effect but i have not learnt so anyone can tell me whether this trick is worth the money?

Moondust - December 12, 2004 05:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nicholas @ Dec 13 2004, 01:27 AM)
everyone here is talking about the ghost bills ... i have seen the effect but i have not learnt so anyone can tell me whether this trick is worth the money?

Some people think it isn't but IMHO I think it's a little pricey, but it's ok.

The vid doesn't teach misdirection that's necessary to pull it off though. With a little creativity, you can pull it off.

However, this isn't a trick I would recommend performing surrounded.

Alternatively, you can watch the demo over and over again and try to figure out how it's done...that's how I learned it! :P

Nicholas - December 12, 2004 05:42 PM (GMT)
haha really!/!? haha ok i will lolz thx for the aDvice haha...

^_^

Nicholas - December 12, 2004 05:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moondust @ Dec 13 2004, 01:37 AM)
Alternatively, you can watch the demo over and over again

anyways sry to trouble u but ... where u watch from ellusionist?

Moondust - December 14, 2004 07:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nicholas @ Dec 13 2004, 01:56 AM)
anyways sry to trouble u but ... where u watch from ellusionist?

Yes sir, that is very correct! :D

heartsofclubs - December 15, 2004 07:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Xtreme @ Nov 20 2004, 01:56 AM)
actually bills shld be crisp.. otherwise effect no good.. hmm.. still trying work on that... spore bills r too small.. LOL :(

take their note and misdirect in to your bill.. that way.. it looks like it's theirs.. It'll not only shock them. They will not suspect anything, cos it's their bill.

heartsofclubs - December 15, 2004 07:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nicholas @ Dec 13 2004, 01:27 AM)
everyone here is talking about the ghost bills ... i have seen the effect but i have not learnt so anyone can tell me whether this trick is worth the money?

From all the post, i'm voting a "nope.. not that worth" ^_^

Nicholas - December 15, 2004 07:42 AM (GMT)
ehh heartsofclubs......the ghost bills is not a gimmik.... the misDirection is not a switch....

<_<

GordonLi - January 23, 2005 03:42 AM (GMT)
heartsofclubs, i wud appreciate if u dun "guess" to "fish" for the secret. and hoping some1 says "yes" so u noe, or "no" so u can continue guessing.

anyway, the effect is gd. i wud use it as impromptu magic, dun need to carry anything around. can use on the spot, done surrounded. the secret is good, although i've heard that andrew mayne was not the first to invent this, but it was by some jap guy.

anyway, its well worth the money. if u like the effect, buy the dvd. its a marketted effect, pay andrew mayne, and well, u learn exactly how to do it. u are better able to do what u buy and more wiling to make ur $ worth it. get it!

Moondust - January 23, 2005 06:32 PM (GMT)
Hey Gordie, I do agree that it's a little weapon that you can keep in your impromptu repertoire. It's shocking, visual, and even better when done in bills of different denomination, because our local currency has different colours, which makes the bill melt clearer.

Ren8585 has come up with an ingenious idea to perform this effect. I have been experimenting with it and it works like a charm. Instead of folding both bills into half yourself, get a spec to fold one of them, then change over and let the spec fold the other bill into quarters, upon which you execute the "move." Brilliant!

Magicdow - January 24, 2005 08:57 AM (GMT)
This is a nice effect when done properly.

GordonLi - January 24, 2005 12:15 PM (GMT)
yes, i really like the effect and its very visual and amazing for the spectators too! truly magical...

SeNgHoE - January 27, 2005 10:44 AM (GMT)
Yup, THE FIRST TRICK THAT FOOLED one of the "strong" girls in the class last year. But ahem they check and saw the Ahem, and they were like "L" .

-Peace- B)

Nicholas - January 27, 2005 11:45 AM (GMT)
lol Seng Hoe , get an old bill u morden New guy using new bills
:P

Moondust - January 27, 2005 07:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (revolutioncardmagic @ Jan 27 2005, 06:44 PM)
Yup, THE FIRST TRICK THAT FOOLED one of the "strong" girls in the class last year. But ahem they check and saw the Ahem, and they were like "L" .

-Peace- B)

If you're using new bills, fold 'em up nice and tight before returning them. ;)

Huron - January 30, 2005 04:41 PM (GMT)
Andrew Mayne also suggests crunching damn together like a money-hungry PAP politician. You know the "WE NEED POWER" fist thing with the bills in your hands. Yeap.
I hope Lee Kuan Yew doesn't frequent this website, or Lee Hsien Loong. At least this site notifies us about changes in our government. A few months ago we got news. "You have a new PM". :P

I'm not a fan of this routine sad to say. I prefer the zero set-up Finger Through Bill. Quick, visual, direct. It is taught on Jim Pace's GAGS video and comes free with the Just Passing Through manuscript by Russ.

Huron

Moondust - January 30, 2005 06:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Huron @ Jan 31 2005, 12:41 AM)
Andrew Mayne also suggests crunching damn together like a money-hungry PAP politician. You know the "WE NEED POWER" fist thing with the bills in your hands. Yeap.
I hope Lee Kuan Yew doesn't frequent this website, or Lee Hsien Loong. At least this site notifies us about changes in our government. A few months ago we got news. "You have a new PM". :P

I'm not a fan of this routine sad to say. I prefer the zero set-up Finger Through Bill. Quick, visual, direct. It is taught on Jim Pace's GAGS video and comes free with the Just Passing Through manuscript by Russ.

Huron

Crushing the bills is downright insane, especially considering the trick is done best with crisp bills.

I usually give them a couple of folds widthwise while covering it up with offbeat patter (usually on something irrelevant to the effect to divert attention). Crushing nice crisp borrowed bills isn't going to reflect well on your performance for this effect.

Hey Huron, I heard of the bill thru finger thingy but I haven't seen it personally yet. Is there by any chance you know of a link that demos this trick?

Huron - January 31, 2005 02:23 PM (GMT)
Haha, the crushing isn't as brutal as I decribe it to be of course. Just something to hide the c***** among the new random ones. No link that I know of, unless you can find the JPT demo. You could try www.magicproshop.com
They have tons of videos.

Huron

BuaYa - February 4, 2005 01:25 PM (GMT)
Finger through bill rocks. Its so so so CLEVEr!




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