Its out today

http://www.ellusionist.com/order/Indecent-...Bag-Houchin.php

Check it out, fo those who buy for the contest, do give your reviews. Enjoy!

Check out the review in the website above.

The first 45 min of the launch was horrible! Credit card can't get through, page was always loading. Until about 30 minutes into the launch, someone from E said their servers can't tolerate the load and it crash.

Thus, waiting and re-doing the transcation all over again. Was pretty du*an with it.

It was reported 300+ were sold over the past 20 minutes...lol don't know if its real or just hyped up. Server crash still can sell so many???


My worst shopping experience with E till date. Very disappointed. E can't live up to its own hype.

My only consolation is......my Indecent is shipped! :lol: :lol: :lol:

My simple review on Indecent

Pros
- Any card CAN be picked or signed if you want. There are no duplicates involved. Just one regular deck of normal playing cards and a standard buy-from-the-mart ziplock bag and you are ready to go.

- No gimmicks. Yes I am serious. NO GIMMICKS. Initially, after viewing the video, I thought there might be but to my very surprise, it doesn't have. That means, you are clean all the way (or almost...)

- The teaching video is pretty good. Wayne Houchin is a great teacher. The video is directed by him and he tries to give the 'learner' quite a few angles here and there for easier learning.

Cons
- Spectator is not recommended to retrieve the card immediately after the penetration. In fact, I think it is never recommended but only the performer to do. Doesn't affect the outcome of the effect since it is so visual, the spectator will simply be wowed

- Need quite a bit of trial and error and testing (those who bought it should know what it means) from performer to performer.

Conclusion
I give it 9 out of 10. Everything just look so clean and visual. In fact, it IS clean except that the performer might need to take care of a few angles throughout the performance. Worth the buy :)

PS: Anyway thinks that there might be exposure? Tell me and I'll edit my post!

hmm i agree that he is a very good teacher. Pretty detailed.
spectator can retrive the card but after some action, he did teach that in the video.

Indecent isnt really angle-sens, there is only 1 action which is a littleangle-sens, with practise, im sure it is easy to overcome.

i will give it a 7/10

hihs, Why u rate it 7/10? It seems low for such a strong effect, kind to explain?

well. when i first saw the performing video of indecent,there is an action which seem inlogical in the routine. That action is complusory in the routine, which means that without that certain action, the trick indecent is not fufill.

To layman, that action means nothing, but to magician, the action is enough to solve 70% of the trick.

Just a piece of my mind-

Wow, anyone care to show me a live demo of Indecent? :lol:

:!!: :!!: :!!: Me! Me!

Indecent buay pai la...After watching it, I agree that w:h is a good teacher. Very detailed! Very good!!

I give 100/100 la :wub: :wub: :lol: :lol:

I dont get it. If indecent was just release, why have i seen so many videos of people performing indecent on youtube?? some dating back to as long as months ago?!!?

lets say there were some "magicians" who thinks that they had figure Indecent out jus by watchin the performance video.

Just to add that those are the 'pirated' versions. Some were very careless about the 'chosen card' and that led me to realise how it was done (pirated version).

I still can't figure out Wayne's version where no additional gimmicks are required.

Planning to get Indecent but I am just unsure about this part, after pulling the bag out from the bottom, can I can flip it over again to show the face of the card (i.e. flip and show both sides)? If this step is clean, then I have no more doubts and would buy it.

yes. this step is clean.
get it, really its worth the money.

Perfect. Thanks for the reply. Definitely gonna get it then.

I thought I knew how it was done, but it appears that I was wrong. :lol:

Wayne's is really really brilliant. It is IMPOSSIBLE to figure out how the trick is done correctly by just watching the demo video..

However, among all the 3 effects that Wayne Houchin released, Sinful (Coin thru Soda), Stigmata, and Indescent, I find that Indescent is his weakest effect so far (compared with the other 2). Nonetheless, it is still a very very smart idea.

If you know how its done.. (by just watching the demo video), you're wrong! :D

ok i wanna get it, i came up with my own version with this as an inspiration, well its holiday time, so i cant really sneak out to go and buy

well. im not sure whether local magic shop has it as this is a new effect that came out recently.

Well, ellusionist will only release to the dealer after the hot period for lets say 2 weeks to a month, a very smart move for them to earn money for those who cannot wait to learn the effect.

So maybe you could wait about a few weeks, should be out soon.

I'm not so sure about that.. You'd never know if some places are selling it for 25 bucks.. :D

<_< <_<

That sucks pretty much for those who got the dvd or download.

The effect was just great lol:) If those who still have not get it I will recommend to get it.. will take it out to the street for some action when I have the right amount of practice to it.. and if possible will try to film the reaction down :)

Very nice trick, as always, expected from W:H. But the trailer was rather misleading. Overall, to keep it short, great for layman, terrible for performer to performer.

The great thing would probably be that this is rather impromptou if you had a deck of cards and a zip lock bag. But this also kind of revealed another secret from ellusionist[some may know what I'm talking about if they watched the dvd].

Overall, 7.5/10 for me. His best effect [imho] has yet to be released, but all who knows W:H should know that he likes to keep his tricks gimmick-free.

I think Sinful would be my favorite among all 3 from W.H, if I were to choose. Very ingenious concept.

I love doing non-gimmicked magic so I'm quite into his stuffs :P

so does that means this is recommended by you guys? i really like W:H stuff.. simple yet hard hitting.. so i guess i'm gonna get it soon den.. :D\

-ian

yeah...get it! Worth your every penny ^_^

gotta disagree....my magician mate just figured it out from watching the vid

We've roadtested it and it's exactly the same thing .

Brillant effect though i must say !

Are you sure, Roland? Looks the same need not be exactly the same, you know.

According to what Ellusionist claim, it can be done impromptu. You can use a borrowed deck and a borrowed zip bloc bag and there's no set up prior performance.

Cool.. If you can, check it out with a magician friend who owns Indescent.. Pei Fu if you're right..

i just performed indescent 2 times tonight at a pub ! just got home . real drunk
but yea amazing reactions and got a few chick numbers !
:D i'm in Perth doing all this stuff btw , women here are way way more liberal
plus it seems there are no magic shops in perth so not many people perform magic here


i'm pretty sure what we found out is what WH teaches , and yes , borrowed deck and borrowed zip bloc bag is not a problem B)

DJTK, yea i know i'm looking for one atm to test if we're 100% right

Dont' get me wrong though , i'm not saying people shouldn't buy the dvd or something cos i would defintely recommend the DVD or download to anyone else i myself secretly wish i had a few more finer pointers of some of the steps from wayne himself but at the same time what we've uncovered gets the same final product/ effect.Chances are if u don't get the proper video u're gonna mess up the trick like what most of these youtubers are doing

This tricks is really visual and attention grabbing ! Just be careful not to repeat it too many times !

We're also in the process of figuring out "spooked " and developing a routine for it , took us 3 nights of combined brainstorming( and watching the demo video several hundred times ) before we had the actual idea/gimmick sussed out though

Regards
Roland lim

i'm sorry if i'm wrong but i thought it's kinda like heckling if u do this kinda stuff? i guess it's different for magicians and laymen huh? :unsure:

-ian

Think of it like music tabs / guitar tabs online

we listen to the music again and again and figure out how to play the song. Sure there are official tabs available but those who have a good listening ear ca n figure out the song for themselves

music performance has very similar copyright / performance rights to magic

Roland: If that is your view, I can do little to stop that. However, I do not agree with you. Watching the video and trying to figure it out in my opinion is plain uncreative and not very ethical too. If you do USE a certain magician's material, I think it is right that you should purchase their product, with their performance right.

A suggestion: why not stop watching the video, and came up with your own method with just the effect in mind?

Anyway, this is :off: again.

Indecent looks cool though, however, how many people bring along a zip bloc bag? I wouldn't bring a zip bloc bag just for 1 effect.

How many people bring decks, sharpies or halves other than magicians? How many people take the trouble to rig themselves up with ET (erhem *Don)? Not that I recommend Indecent but if you like it how much space would an additional zip loc take?

Well , i don't think just buying the DVD and learning it is any creative either. On the ethics side i still don't know if what we figured out is the exact version so for all i know the way me and my mate have achieve a solution which is completely different.We could possibly have done what u suggested about coming up with our own solution with the effect in mind.

I also don't pretend that it's an effect i created and i'm not gonna make my own dvd teaching it or charge people money to teach Indescent cos i didn't create it so i don't think i have run foul of anything .

Plus i would recommend people buy get the trick instead of teaching because that would be wrong.


Also , besides what exohordon said , u can be more creative in showing how u came about with the zip lock bag . u don't nessecary need to use a ziplock bag. even stuff like *clear paper folders/files * works great with indescent ! plus u can also load up the bag into an accomplice and present it as taking it out from someone

The story i've been using at pubs in Perth is that people have been smoking weed in potbags ( similar to ziplock bags ) and i happened to pick one of them up earlier in the night ! ( defintely not applicable in singapore....ahhaha HANGED !) :rolleyes:

or if u're at a relatives house , just go into the freakin kitchen !

In summary , be as creative as u can in how u want to present ur material and try not to make it look like u brought the bag along because :

a)It's not as impressive ( people think it's a gimmick bag )
b)It seems like u're trying to hard to seek validation

Regards

Roland

We have talk about these issues (ethics) before and it always end unpleasantly. Please do not go off topic. Start another thread if one is needed. Thanks.

Very true, exohordon. Indeed.

I just feels that Indecent wasn't enough to convince me to put tricks with a zip bloc bag in my repertoire.

Yo dudes, i bought indecent, danny's next notes. its damn great, i love indecent, and it works against hecklers extremely well. The bluff **** works extremely well. i give it a 9/10.

Daniel Garcia's Next notes?

Are they for sale? I heard his next effect on dvd is something in that pile of notes.

How about giving a review for the notes ya? :P

yup u can find them at lybrary.com, the organisation of the notes is a bit scre*ed up, frankly its like reading a story book, but nevertheless, all the effects in it are impromtu. you are right bigbadwolf, its called no smoking, where u release smoke from ur mouth , its just part of the routine. its totally impromtu, i tried it, smoke really came out, but there is a funny feeling in ur throat, he says that it is safe, there is a rubberband routine in the notes, its great, but like i told u hard to follow. i like the clip trip effect, where u bend a paper clip, but the performance part is hard to follow,
there is an effect using cig, so i dont really care about it.

note: all the effects in there are impromptu