I just recieved my Stigmata DVD!! It really has a great effect and i am baffled by its simplicity! Anyone of you guys did the 3rd effect? Sometimes, it doesn't work.

Are you refering to the Ellusionist one? The Ellusionist one is better.

The 3rd version of Stigmata is indeed very strong, its like real magic when you hit it correctly. The 1st time I did it on my brother's girlfriend, she freaked out and said that its freaky... it was a big confidence builder when i got it :P

I've personally done it a few other times and my success rate was 50-50. Although its not fool proof, I can say that as long as you follow what Wayne taught inside you pretty much can hit success rate is higher than you imagine. I recommend a back up line if it fails you have an out. Enjoy freaking people out wih Stigmata but I do recommed that you incorporate it in a routine rather as a single effect because it looks much more mind blowing when you close off the routine with Stigmata ^_^

Is there a non-Ellusionist one? I didn't know about it, unless you are talking about Banachek's version.

Anyway, watch the interview of Houchin and Banachek, it will give you some ideas on the third phase.

Hm... i only do Stigmata using the namecard version, seriously, the whole "feel" of the trick is different, waht does a number and card mean to the audience? But when it is a name that is related to them appeap on your hand, thats when they go crazy...

Can i ask a question here? How the presentation of stigmata? i know banachek version but i feel wayne houchin version is better because of his presentaion. The initial u use c***** tear or which version?

Hmmm actually you can do it anyway you want. Just use the method you prefer.

Hmm... you said Houchin's presentation is better but why you still asked how's the presentation?
Ace is right. Use anyway you know to get the initials but c***** tear is definitley inferior to th method Houchin employed. Get the Dvd, you will know.

Just to clarify, I'm pretty sure that
Stigmata is officially a Wayne Houchin AND Banachek effect.

"Stigmata" as performed by Wayne is a modified effect that Banachek had created earlier.

They met up, talked, discussed worked on it for a more impromptu approach and poof! out comes the "Card version of stigmata."

Banachek's one similar.
However in his previous shows he didn't use cards I believe.
I think he used other things...

In anycase,
Stigmata's an awesome effect.
I sometimes get a stooge and do the revealation on him.

Combining the routine with Daniel Garcia's "Warning" also proof to freak people out alot.

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Hi i have not tried the 3rd version as i only do version 1. Stigmata is also the strongest effect out of all the other effects that i can perform confidently so far.

Ok i would like to ask about opinions with regards to version 1.
Please bear with me as i do not want to risk exposure.
If you have the video, WH suggested using the CF because he said it was the most convincing. Personally i have performed version 1 using CF and RF on some occasions.

To me, CF is convincing but because i suck, sometimes the timing is off and i have to use an 'out' effect. WH covered this in the dvd also. The dilemma is that, i want to perform this as my last effect because it's just so damn powerful! But as a result of my inconsistent CF, i haved used a RF. It's a definite hit (if you know what i mean) but i feel it's not as strong as using a CF.

With regards to presentation, i used some patter about NUS psychology student writing final year thesis on mind-reading. Basically some crap la hahaha

Hmmm.. so what's the question you want to ask?

If you are asking about the different F to be used, just stick to the one you are most comfortable with. Banachek used a RF in his PSI series. There is one CF you might want to use which Uncle Bob showed us before. Can't really describe it here, so come for our gathering and we can talk about it.

And if you are using the "psychology" patter, think namecard version would suit you better. Using cards might seem more eh... "magician-like" instead, if you know what I mean.

I mentioned in one other post that you can 100% know the card they pick if you use a st*** deck. If you don't mind the trick not being that impromptu, st*** deck is a good idea.

I really recommend the name card version cos it is much stronger. Plus if you are the type that perform card tricks often, it is good to perform something that don't involve cards so that your audience can see something new.

For the patter part, I don't think psychology patter really fits it. Cos words are coming out of your hand, I don't think psychology can really explain that. Most of the time I use psychology patters for effects that REALLY uses psychology principle.

For me I'll use some other patter. Below are some information that I used for my patter.

Stigmata are bodily marks, sores, or sensations of pain in locations corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. The term originates from the line at the end of Saint Paul's Letter to the Galatians where he says, "I bear on my body the marks of Jesus", with "marks" in the Latin Vulgate rendered as "stigmata". An individual bearing stigmata is referred to as a stigmatic.
Stigmata are primarily associated with the Roman Catholic faith. Many reported stigmatics are members of Catholic religious orders. The majority of reported stigmatics are female.
However there are cases of stigmata that happen to non-catholics. In Nov 1913, there is this girl in french who had the ability to make words appear on her arm or chest.

From what i have known for the 3 verisons of stigmata, most of the time the initials and number will end up appearing of the wrist or palm. However is there any other method or ideas to present the finale ?


For example, i heard that you can burn the name card and use the ashes rub against your arm or wrist to make the initials or number appear. I would like to know what you need and the method to do this.

Any other different presentation that anyone of you guys have done? Please share.

For the ashes version i dont think i can tell you how that works it would be exposure, however you can find it in one of the ellusionist dvds.

hi Fabregas, well the mark appears on ur wrist or palm for very pratical reasons, and they have been covered in the DVD. If you're thinking about doing the ashes trick, i think they have it covered in one of the Ellusionist DVDs. If i'm not wrong it's 'inside magic' and E! calls it burnt. Again, all these are from memory so i might be wrong.

I doubt anyone in this forum who knows the mechanism behind that trick would reveal it to you. If you really want to know, you should get that dvd. I believe that the ashes trick is a amazing effect but E! just doesn't sell the trick very well. It can be freaky if you do it properly.

anyway the reason W:H created Stigmata was so that it could be impromtu with no gimmick or set up. If you're thinking about other ways to present the trick, i.e. other ways to reveal the prediction, then that's no longer stigmata.

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Having the name rash on ur arm is stronger then the ashes on arm. If the spectator feels the ashes, they will know. The rash, it turns red slowly in front of their eyes, and when they feel it, it really feels like a rash.

You can try "Stigamataing" on your abs. You can get a gal to rub your tummy. But if you really have a BIG tummy like some of us, then better not try.

But I'm serious about getting the "thing" on the abs.

Damn!


I aint touching some one elses tummy! So awakward sia!!

Hahaha. even if i was a girl and a hot guy stood infront of me.
I aint touching his belly!

They are the one rubbing you, you don't have to rub them.

Anyway... hot guy? Eh.. it was never in my options to have a guy rubbing me. If he try, I make sure he gets some stigmata on the face.

LOL! stigmata on the face! :lol:

Wa if i have the Criss Angel's abs maybe I'll try it.... For now I dun think i'm "good" enough to try it. Dun wanna turn this cool magic into a comedy piece =P

If you really want to have it on your tummy, then just do bruise instead of stigmata. And I'm not showing my belly to anyone in public - much less let them rub it. :D

Hmmm maybe can make the prediction appear on the butt?

Inspired by the famous Ash on Butt trick lol :P

Haha. the old butt joke is back! :!!:

Whats the joke abt care to share??? =)

Ha ha. Here it is link. Stigmata is really a good effect. I did it[Stigmata] on one of my classmates not long ago. And she said this to me: "how can you anyhow read people's mind?!". Lols, so I was like: "you wanted to see this effect in the first place didn't you?". Ha ha. Anyways, for those who have not gotten this effect, do get it ASAP!

Hey i missed your post or something!
Yea i totally agree whats worst if someone has a beer belly!
Its so embarassing just to display your belly and let people examine it!


YUCKS!

A fresh look at the old butt joke.

Haha. ok. This shouldn't be in this section, but since it is related to the butt joke. I thought this might be an exception.

You Got to Watch This
Click Here!

(Especially Along and Ning)

Er care to elaborate? I totally dont understand.

Joel, you're a genius... LOL :lol: Funky stuff but the guy could've been cuter... heh!!!

Just realised that about there was a typo. Should have been "Especially Aloy and Ning". Not "Along and Ning"

The 3rd version IS very strong.
And personally I rarely get it done well.

I even resorted to "back up plans all over my body"

The following is out of point:

Hmmm having said this,
I have an idea we could work along...

It's based on a concept that I used to do back in undergrad days with my magician friend Paul.

I used to use HIM to make the selected card's number appear on HIS arm.

Perhaps we could use this principle to make the number the spectator is thinking of... then....

I'm trying my best not to expose anything,
but I'm hoping you guys would get the spark of the idea.



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