Title: Recommendation On Linking Rings
Description: Seeking recommendations and opinions
AdrianLee - January 12, 2007 10:36 AM (GMT)
Now that I've more or less confirmed my interest in linking rings, I'm thinking of investing in a larger set of linking rings (10" or 12"). I have some queries on my mind and hope to garner some opinions/views, suggestions and recommendations before I take the plunge.
1. I'm still deliberating between 10 inch and 12 inch rings. I don't really see myself having to put the rings over my head around my neck, so will 10 inch be a better choice then?
2. I've looked through TLMS and the only set of normal sized linking rings I've found are the Uday 10 inch set of 8 priced around 100 SGD or so. Unfortunately I didn't manage to find more detailed information on this set of rings, such as the material and thickness and whether it's solid or hollow. Hope to garner some user feedback/reviews on the Uday 10 inch rings from around here.
3. Owen rings is probably going to be mentioned sooner or later when you talk about linking rings. I know they are REALLY expensive (I think a set of 8 costs around 400-500 USD), but I'd still love to hear some user reviews/feedback from anyone here who uses them.
Lefty, Kennection (Kenneth), please do drop by this thread and give some valuable opinions to this fellow linking-ringer/ring-linker. :lol:
Looking forward to hearing from everyone. Thanks in advance! B)
Aloy - January 12, 2007 01:33 PM (GMT)
I think the question you need to ask is, what are you going to do with the set? Are you going to be performing with it for money? Or is it going to be a for fun thing? That will help you decide what kind of investment you want to make.
These things are like the cups and balls. You can buy a $20 set, or you can buy a $2000 set. It is worth what it is worth to the owner. B) But of course, when you pay more, you can expect higher quality in the details and longer lifetime.
I think other than the Uday set, you can consider the Royal 8 inch set. A set of 8 ring is only S$51.40. 8 inch i think is an ok size if you are not going to perform for an audience of 200 anytime soon. And it's cheap so it can be a good training set. And it wouldn't hurt as much when you inevitably drop them during practise and rehearsals.
I have never seen these myself before so I really dunno abt their quality but usually (not all the time thou) Royal stuff are better quality than Uday stuff.
Navarrone - January 12, 2007 01:39 PM (GMT)
Linking Rings, Hmmm...
I would recommmand you to get 12" instead of 10".
Firstly, they are larger, this of course allows the magic to be much more visual. Who knows what might happen in the future? You may come up with a routine that requires you to put the rings around your neck. Unless you're comparing the prices, there is really nothing much to lose to if you were to get 12".
Uday 10 inches linking rings? Hmmm, I would say, they are good for starters, but they will not last long. The rings are not hollow, they are not very quite thin. I'm not sure about they materials though. One HUGE problem is that the rings brake quite easily. When dropped on the floor just once or twice, they are sooner or later bound to break. I will not recommand you getting the Uday Linking Rings if you are plan on getting a long run with the linking rings.
Owen Rings, the best made linking rings in the world. Of course, the rings are not given a name like that without anything. The rings are hollow, and they weight just about the perfect weight. Because they are hollow, the produce a very nice sound when struck together. And under the right lights, the rings look very nice and shiny *Bling Bling*.
Of couse, there are other alternatives. The Klamm Rings are said to last for quite sometime for some. I would recommand this set of rings if you're getting started in linking rings yet do not wan to afford too much. There is also the Prolink Linking Rings, which is said to be a better quality of the Klamm Rings. But I heard that these hollow rings breaks. Hmmm... You might also want to consider the Stevens 10 Inches linking rings, the price are quite reasonable. I'm sure Lefty can give you a review on them. There are also other linking rings out there that I've not mentioned. But I hoped that I've help you a little. :D
kennection - January 13, 2007 02:09 PM (GMT)
Hi bro, glad to see that you have an interest in linking rings.
All these are in my own opinion.
Size of rings must depend on what your routine n performance is like. If you'd like to do stage linking rings like what i did(though not very well), a 10" would be a good size, a 12" even better. It would also depend whether you do it in a parlour or a full stage size. i would prefer to use a set of, lets say, 10inch rings in a parlour setting where the crowd is generally closer. Maybe even 8inch rings when i have a ring routine where i talk thru the routine n use quite abit of audience participation. A chain of 6 12" rings in a small parlour situation would not really suffice as it takes up quite a long length, an chain of 6 8" rings would be a better choice. But as i said, it depends on ur routine n environment.
Brands and types of rings. Hmm. This depends on what u want and how much you are willing to spend. There are aluminum, stainless steel, hollow stainless steel, brass etc. A good set of linking rings could last you almost a lifetime. I suggest not buying Uday's 12" set as they're thin, and they break easily. Jus ask Benny abt it. So far in my limited experience, i've only found two sets of linking rings that are both good in quality and price. One is the set from Steven's Magic, the other, none other than the Redefine Rings from Jeremy Pei.
The set from Steven's Magic is 10", hollow, and made from andonized aluminum. It also has a locking key. These rings are light weight and very easy on ur arms and its only US$85. the downside? the k** ring requires you to pull to get the h**e, instead of it being cut, and the rings are NOT seamless. Cost? Plus shipping, if im not wrong, it comes up to abt S$200.
My set on ther other hand, which is by Jeremy Pei, is 12", hollow, and made from stainless steel. K** ring is cut instead of needing you to pull it open. It is very alike to owens rings actually. Its a little heavy at first, but you get used to it over time. The intended selling price for Jeremy Pei's set was US$180. Not sure how much he's selling now and whether he has any sets left.
Hope this answers some of ur questions. Anything, you can PM me.
Oh btw, i do have a set of Royal 8inch Rings which i haven put to good use. PM me abt it. ;)
Regards,
Kenneth
Lefty - January 13, 2007 04:37 PM (GMT)
I truly understand your feeling now.. i was there looking for a ring set with no advice, made lots of mistake.
Well alot of ppl will say that 12 inch is better, but to me, it makes no major differences,
Remember this theory, the bigger the rings, you "must" find a thicker set, i used to use a 12 inch rings that is so thin, it breaks during practices, alot of people will say that it is because i didnt use it well, but not only my set broke off, so conclusion, never get an lousy 12 inch set, if you would like to save money, get a 10 inch set, more durable (for some reason)
The best set of rings i ever come across is the one Kennection is using, the looks and everything is just like the owens ring or even better!! stainless steel, so no more polishing, plus super durable only at a price of SG$280!!! But sadly, i dont think it is anymore on sale, it is custom made by jeremy pei.
Depending of your routine, the normal classic elegant routine, you can use practically any set of rings, it is just that the cheap ones are very thin the rings will move left and right when you are holding, you will understand if you ever use a cheap set. For Pual, Kennection and me, we are more toawards JP routine and Jeff Mcbride routine, very fast and agressive, so pual and i got our first set of rings broke, badly, seriously badly...
Now for my RINGS!!! I love my rings alot alot alot alot x10000!!!! i love the light weighted feel, since i do alot of flourishing with it, the ring by kennection cant really do those flourishes as it is alittle heavy... Heavy= Pain!!! anyway, 1 advantage is that it is magnetic locking, you can do a elegant routine showing all the 3 rings clean, very clean.
Dont be fool by the US$85, plus the shipping, i comes up to SG$200!!!!
By the way, it is from Stevens Magic. And also mine is a 10 inch ring.
My advice is that try to think about what would kind of routine you are doing, and really plan it out first, i met alot of people buy thier set and leave there to grow dust, just like other props, plan before you buy. I would say that alot of the audience like the elegant feel of linking rings, so if you plan to do so, you can try a cheap ring, as there is not alot of throwing and (dropping)... Get the World Greatest Magic DVD ON Linking Rings, the best collection of routine you can find, and definitely worth the price!!!
Good Luck for your linking ring!!! And welcome to link with us, maybe we can have a linking ring jamming soon!!!
bigbadwolf - January 13, 2007 05:28 PM (GMT)
:blink: :blink: Woot! There are some good advices from Lefty and Kennection. Although I don't do linking rings, its still informative for me.
Bob Chua - January 14, 2007 02:33 PM (GMT)
I am quite impressed by your guys on your knowledge of Linking Rings.
Basically, it always depend on your budget and how crazy you are with the Linking Rings.
Its a fact that many magicians owned Linking Rings and Cups but never get to perform them.
If you are not certain as to whether you love the linking rings, own a cheap set.
Some 15 years ago, I have handled the Owen's Locking ring. They hollow stainless steel. To me owning the set of Owen's Linking Rings is like owning at set of Paul Fox Cups. Someone told me a single locking ring can easily cost USD250.00.
The number of rings you use strictly depends on your routine. My old set of 3 solid brass rings (15 years old) was made by a magician friend in Malaysia and it cost me nothing. It had served me well for many years.
Currently I have the Dokkum Rings (1 locking & 2 singles) from Netherland in hollow brass and cost me USD160.00. Check their website. They also make beautiful silver cups of various sizes.
I have one locking ring by Klamm gathering dust. Interested PM me.
Enjoy the magic
Uncle Bob
Bob Chua - January 15, 2007 06:15 AM (GMT)
I have 1 locking Klamm Ring and 1 single Klamm Ring. Both of them are stainless steel and 1/4" in diameter x 12". Interested please email me.
Uncle Bob
Bob Chua - January 16, 2007 08:08 AM (GMT)
Got a quote from Owen Supreme as follows:
#4148K 12 inch Locking Key Ring, US$275.00, in stock.
#4148I 12 inch Single Ring, US$110.00 each, in stock.
Excluding FEDEX charges.
Enjoy your magic
Uncle Bob
AdrianLee - January 19, 2007 03:12 PM (GMT)
First of all I would like to thank all of you who have taken the time and effort to share your experiences and insights. Thanks Aloy, Navarrone, Lefty, Kenneth, and last but not least Uncle Bob for all the great advice and recommendations.
I'm going to have to sit down and meditate and give it some good hard thought before coming to a final conclusion, of course taking into account all the valuable advice everyone has provided thus far. ;)