I am curious if the Elmsley Count is popular over there in Singapore. Anyone using it?

wat do u mean popular?

I'm not sure what you mean by popular. I think the Elmsley count is truly a stroke of a genius, but I rarely use it because most of the routines I perform don't require it. After all, the Elmsley is just a tool - you use the tool only if it's appropriate for the job.


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That reminds me of how many of us tend to use a particular move *COUGH* PASS *COUGH* just for the sake of using it - and I mean for NO other reason than the fact that we like it and think it's kinda cool (EGO TRIP). The method that we choose is so important as it conveys the message we wish to communicate to our audience but so often we use the most 'convenient' or 'our preferred method'. And sadly, we allow our own egos to ruin what could have been a really great effect.

For instance, using a pass to control a card from the middle to the top of the deck is a great way to communicate to the audience that his card is 'somewhere in the middle of the deck', and hence would be truly more magical if I were then to produce his card from an impossible location or at the top.

Using a shuffle or cuts to control the card from the middle to the top communicates randomness and gives the impression to the audience that the card is lost in the deck (and that even you yourself have no idea where it is) - it could be near the top, bottom or even somewhere in the middle: there should be no clear way to know if it's a shuffle. It'll be magical if the audience then names a number and you deal down to HIS selection.

Anyway, I digress WAY off the topic. To answer your question:

Is the Elmsley count popular?
I don't know.

But is it used here? YES.

Is it used extensively?
That depends on the effect and the performer's preferences, experience and skill I suppose.

Do I know anyone who does it?
Just about anyone who does card magic seriously here does it. And most of them do it well.

Bob Chua's got a killer Elmsley. He knows more false counts and displays than anyone else I know of. He even demonstrated 'his own' DM count to Daryl Martinez when he was in Hong Kong and had dinner with Daryl.

Enrico does great Elmsleys too!

JC Sum also does great Elmsleys!

So does dry_gin...
So does Huron...
So does Ning...
So does Jerome...
So does Axl...
So does <fill in name here>
The list could go on forever...

;)

Hope that helps!

SHADE

Totally in full 100% in agreement with Shade.

The Elmsley Count is (To my own belief) one of the most often utilised move in a card magic. I mean think about it, how many effects out there more or less utilises the Elmsley. Bless Alex Elmsley to come out with that haha.

And by the way, it doesn't mean that although Shade rarely uses the Elmsley, he doesn't do it well. He, too, has a killer Elmsley.

Cheers!

dry_gin

In a short answer: YES!

This is a really weird question. Moves are used to accomplish effects, and not doing a certain effect just to do a move. (As shade has said:just for the sake of it.) I suppose ur asking if effects utilizing Elmsley is popular.

Personally, I don't use Elmsley because I don't need to.

The count is amazing and unlike some other knuckle-busting sleights this one is extremely easy to fool with, even when you make a mistake!

You should maybe be a bit more specific as to why you want to know whether its popular in Singapore - is it because your looking to see if he's well liked?

We can help you better this way

Hi Ashsmagic,

Welcome to our forum :) Your question of whether the Elmsley count is popular i over here is rather ambiguous. It can be interpreted in many ways. If your intention is to find out if its a popular count for false display, then it goes back to the another question, is this sleight appropriate for for the effect that you're presenting?

Just as Shade has mentioned and I totally agree with him as well. The Elmsley count is purely a tool that helps you to accomplish an objective. There are more than just one tool to accomplish your objective but whether you use it or not depends a lot on the performer's preferences, skill level and experiences. Shade's comparison of a pass with shuffles and cuts is a great example on whether a particular sleight is indeed necesary if your objective is to control just 1 card. It really depends on how you want to present it, you have to think in the shoes of the spectator that if I were to do a pass, what does it convey? If I were to do a shuffle, what does it convey? What message do you want to strike across to your spectator, you're skillful or its really magic? These are something the performer has to ask himself.

All in all, I have to say the Elmsley count is a fantastic count. Its not knuckle bustling and its very deceptive.

Heys, the Emsley count is just another sleight of hand waiting to be placed to good use in terms of hiding face up cards among other face down card.It can also mislead ur audience that the cards u are holding are all different.


Hope that helps,
cheers.

Jerome aka Ah boi

Thanks for the advice. Now I know what's an Emsley Count.

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My understanding and the way I used my Elmsley counts is not as what you have described :unsure:

If you perform card magic with sleights, somehow you will need to use the Elmsley in certain routines.

For those who never need to do the Elmsley in his card work, he or she must be very knowledge in selecting his card routines.

Enjoy the magic

Elmsley count is a VERY useful sleight,resulting to many people using it ;) But i rarely use it.

What i was saying meant that we can confuse your audience that all cards are different because we are repe**ing one card when done face up.
Got it?

Easy now tiger

Hiya

I almost always use the EC whenever I perform my routine for friends, it is not difficult and for the trick I am doing, it is perfect.

Perhaps you should poll the forum, then perhaps you will get your reply faster.

Keep The Moment Magical

Cheers

Lordjim