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BangHao - March 11, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
I'm into mentalism recently.Reading up mentalism books to gather as much information as i can. Anyone know any mentalism effects that can be done anywhere anytime without anything?That will be very convenience to perform. :D I know one effect which is called blind man bluff,though it is not 100 percent correct everytime i perform but the risk keep me going everytime. Any recommendation?

chteo - March 11, 2007 11:54 AM (GMT)
Kollosal Killer and Invisible Deck

BangHao - March 11, 2007 01:58 PM (GMT)
Ok.. i think u miss out 1 point that is without anything.

joeltay81 - March 11, 2007 02:03 PM (GMT)
Magician's force

LarryDK - March 11, 2007 02:11 PM (GMT)
Stigmata is a good one.

Hmm, apparently at some point, mentalism need something to present it well..

Like the rest say, if you into wallets, KK is good also. Let say nothing is gimmicked. Maybe you can leave a note of something in your wallet and do an effect with it. Or use your calendar book if you keep one with you.

Another good one, is cold reading, or muscle reading, though its hard to do an hit, but if it does, it amaze people also.

Broderick - March 11, 2007 02:54 PM (GMT)
That Elephant in Denmark trick. Can be even done in MSN.

joeltay81 - March 12, 2007 01:25 AM (GMT)
kolossal, I use it as my daily wallet and carry everywhere I go, so it is almost impromptu if I want to use it. As suggested above. Stigamata is great. And cold reading effects, Kenton has a number of resources that talk about platter and psychology used in cold readings.

Icy - March 12, 2007 07:31 AM (GMT)
You can try the new DVD, Unexpected by Marc Spelmann and Peter Nardi, who, I suppose are solid mentalists. It deals exclusively with impromptu mentalism. It is not done with nothing though, but with everyday objects. (Bills, coins, any newspaper, any books...) But you probably should wait for some reviews...

Equivoque (Magician's Choice) is quite pure, but you still need to prepare a prediction.

theWeaver - April 19, 2007 03:20 PM (GMT)
I agree with Joeltay81,
Kolossal and Stigamata = Great. It's even more powerful if you use them both together.

joeltay81 - April 19, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
Or you can take a risk by using NLP and psychological forces for mentalism effect. Not 100%, but if you use enough subtle hints, multiple times to force a card or suit, it works reasonably well.

If you have a any scrap paper with you and a pen, you can get the spectator to write the effect down and then pencil read what he writes. It is particularly easy if you hand out a sharpie or marker as the sound for different number and shapes will be quite obvious, on top of the normal pencil reading. Of course, this is assuming you have a pen and paper. It's impromptu though. If you want something with no props at all, then just use NLP and psychological forces. Using the line that you would like to "try an experiment" on the spectator helps. At least, even if the psychological force doesn't work, he will be more understanding. If you use the pen and paper, say that you want him to write it down so that he doesn't change his mind.

BangHao - April 22, 2007 07:23 AM (GMT)
Yeah.I am being doing these 2 effects quite frequently cause it need absolute nothing and by saying doing an experiment.If you get it correct,all credit go to you.If you get it wrong u can simply say as i say before it is only just an experiment,it may work or it may fail. If i have an invisible deck, all the best, psychology force can be 100 percent correct. B)

joeltay81 - April 22, 2007 06:03 PM (GMT)
I sometimes try to force a card which I have prepared ahead of time somewhere. E.g. In my shoes. Then after forcing, I ask them to write on a piece of paper to double check the effectively of my force(as an insurance) by pencil reading them. If I am sure my psychological force is accurate, I will just tell them I made a prediction ahead of time and just remove my shoes to present the card without saying or asking any further questions. (Of course add in some necessary acting skills). If I read or hear(possible if they wrote with a marker), and it is different from what I tried to force them psychologically, I'll just look into their eyes and after some suspense, tell them the exact card they are thinking. If you have ET loaded on you all the time you are outdoors, it is almost impromptu, and it adds to the effect, of you really reading their minds. Or you can do a stigmata asking them to write the number and/or suit of the card on a folded piece of paper behind your back, and to concentrate on that card. Without turning to them at all, get them to tear and destroy their paper, and when you turn to face them, the chosen card rashes on your arm... telepathically naming what they wrote on their paper.


M.A.D. - April 23, 2007 05:47 AM (GMT)
Hey, i had try force at the "3rd" item, it work out 8/10. Anyone know the name of this force.

Jeff Gan - April 23, 2007 10:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (M.A.D. @ Apr 23 2007, 01:47 PM)
Hey, i had try force at the "3rd" item, it work out 8/10. Anyone know the name of this force.

its called "Magician's choice" or "equivoque".
It should work 100%, unless your choice of words are wrong.

If you have a few pieces of business cards and a pen, you could do a lot of stuff.

PATEO is a good anytime anywhere effect.

Effects using the 1 ahead principle also fit the bill.

You could do Banachek's design duplication.

Any peek effect using your favourite peek.

In a bookshop or library, you can do Hoy's Bold Booktest. Totally impromptu.

joeltay81 - April 23, 2007 11:34 AM (GMT)
Are you sure M.A.D. is refering to magician's choice? I thought it is refering to something else. Anyway, for effects that are not fool-proof, it is always nice to have somesort of an 'out'.

Jeff Gan - April 23, 2007 02:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (joeltay81 @ Apr 23 2007, 07:34 PM)
Are you sure M.A.D. is refering to magician's choice? I thought it is refering to something else. Anyway, for effects that are not fool-proof, it is always nice to have somesort of an 'out'.

I just thought his description (3rd item) kinda fit the bill.
Maybe I'm mistaken.

:P


joeltay81 - April 23, 2007 04:15 PM (GMT)
M.A.D., are you refering to a psychological force that is not 100%? I think I roughly get what you are trying to say, but I forgot which book I read that is, or what the name is. I've never tried that as it is risky. Like I ask, I would play on the safe size and get him to write on a paper without showing me and try to double confirm the prediction by pencil reading.

Just realised that I've not mentioned "Think Pink". Have you tried that before? Pretty much impromptu if you can find a pen and a decent size paper anywhere.

Ace - April 23, 2007 04:18 PM (GMT)
I think that it is not magician choice. If i'm not wrong it should be similar to Luke Jermay's A Darker Dai.

Xproject - May 21, 2007 01:21 PM (GMT)
one of my favourite mentalism effect for anytime anywhere is doc hillford For one to end. Do check it out it in wonder words vol.3. This is just one effect where it so strong and you can do a whole 5 to 10mins on it just by explanning about subliminal programming and it a very good conversation thing to talk about.

Gate

Sinch - September 22, 2007 02:02 PM (GMT)
Well, I would say stigmata. It's very powerful but I'm having a little trouble with it. I'm Malay so the markings don't show. Brown skin and all =P! Anyone got a solution for that? Anyway, pshycological forces can be very very powerful. Derren Brown covers pshycological forces very well. Just carry around the card you plan on forcing. Of corse, since there is no out to this, most people would be pretty reluctant to perform it. But you say risk keeps you going so I reckon you'd approve of a little risk. I hope i helped. Cheers.

cstrike - February 12, 2008 07:06 AM (GMT)
can anybody enlighten me on where i can refer to find out more on "Kolosal Killer", "Magician's Choice", "Equivoque", etc.

I don't know if asking this question is allowed. If not allowed, please delete this post. PM me the answers, if discussing the sources here is not convenient. Thx!

Alexander - February 12, 2008 02:00 PM (GMT)
These are mentalism stuff. I guess you can check out books or what not by Max Maven.


As for Kossal Killer, look up Kenton Knepper.

joeltay81 - February 12, 2008 06:15 PM (GMT)
Kolossal killer.

KyleRavin - July 28, 2008 05:04 AM (GMT)
agree with you Joel. Kolossal Killer is really a killer. Also, Try to get 'for one to end' in wonderwords and The candle and Bell from visual antics. When played right, you really look like a pro in psychology.

Maddened - October 3, 2008 06:43 PM (GMT)
Eh... Try 202 Methods of Forcing by Annemann. Then anything can be forced (except maybe marriage).

There is another force which I will reveal here. It's called the "Mother of all Forces".

Here's how it goes. Suppose you have 3 items: Apple, Orange, Watermelon. And you want the spectator to pick the orange. Here's what you say.

"Here you have three fruits: an apple, an orange, and a watermelon. I want you to choose one of them, anyone of them. You have a free choice BUT keep in mind that your mother told me that she wants you to pick the orange. And if you don't she says you are a rebel son, you are not filial to your ancestors, that you have shamed your family and she is very very disappointed in you and that the heavens should kill her now for birthing such a disobedient and ungrateful son. So remember ah, your mother thinks that choosing orange is the best.

But you have a free choice of any of the fruit. So which one do you want...?"

There you go. The "Mother of all Forces". Use it wisely.

leolight - October 14, 2008 04:40 PM (GMT)
Mod: this is a non exposure forum.

Equivoque is not 100% but significantly increases your chances of a hit. When it hits, it looks like a miracle.

joeltay81 - October 15, 2008 04:06 PM (GMT)
Quote: "Equivoque is not 100%"

I thought it was 100%!

Maddened - October 16, 2008 10:54 AM (GMT)
That depends on whether it is 100% what. Is Equivoque 100% sexy? I don't think so... Maybe 20%.

Is it 100% like a banana? Probably only about 1%...

That said though, an impromptu picture duplication is always a nice thing to do. Just get them to call out some items, write them on pieces of cards or papers, have them mixed, spec picks one and draws a picture of it, and you, without looking or knowing what he picked, draw a duplication of his drawing. People applause.

The secret: Just read his mind. Comes with practice, so practice hard.

jeromefang - October 16, 2008 02:48 PM (GMT)
Haha... The Mother of All Forces is funny Maddened. You and your brand of humour is really your signature... I think the story you painted can indeed be an effective way of Equivoque.

As mentalism is a lot about psychology and by wording your presentation correctly, one can condition your spectator lead them down the garden path to the destination that you want them. It's kind of like NLP I guess... Like how Derren Brown does it.

Well I'm no mentalist so don't take my word for it... It's just my 2 cents worth of opinion... :g:

muscleaxl - October 16, 2008 07:48 PM (GMT)
Wa... Who deleted the Equivoque's secrets? I want to learn some free tricks.

Anyway, Derren Brown doesn't use NLP... he said it in his book.

leolight - October 17, 2008 03:49 PM (GMT)
I'm not sure why my post was deleted. I did not expose any magic secrets. All I did was point out very well known psychological chocies people tend to make and how that can be exploited for magic use. For eg. when you ask someone to think of a flower, they tend to think of a ****. If you have 3 objects for them to choose from, they tend to chose the ****** one?

I didn' t think these were magic secrets like a magician's choice. And I never expect anyone to use just one of these examples as an effect by themselves. But, rather the line of thought and high hit tendencies serve magicians well if added to exisiting routines and exploited cleverly.

As I pointed out in the deleted post, Michael Weber has a routine in his book "Life Savers" which includes multiple high hit choices so that one can perform a fax prediction. I was unaware that pointing people to resources was exposure. I have read several posts that make reference to other sources - books, dvd etc. I apologize it it was.

Alexander - October 20, 2008 03:21 PM (GMT)
I was the one who deleted your post. Already sent you a PM explaining why.

Just be abit more careful about what you say, there are layman here too.

leolight - October 22, 2008 04:26 PM (GMT)
Back to Equivoque being 100%... well, I guess it is as 100% as a classic force. If you get it right, it is 100%, but even the best miss more than a few times. Not due to the lack of skill or practise but due to the kind of spectator you choose.

Equivoque with someone who does not have a strong grasp of the language you speak is not 100%... It is not 100% if they do not understand certain expressions or are just not following because they are very conscious about being picked to be part of an effect.

Just some scenarios I've had attempting equivoque in a university environment with a mix good mix of international students.

Maddened - November 25, 2008 06:11 PM (GMT)
Well that depends on what you say. Patter should be altered to take in mind of such conditions like language ability of your audience and the complexity of the material.

I think it's not too hard for most people (international or local) to understand something like "Point at one." or even more simpler "Left or right?"




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