hi guys,

Well one of my friends picked up magic after seeing me perform. While it might be a good thing cause now there is another magician in my group. but now it feels kinda weird and i don't know why. Has this happened to anyone of you before?

Zi An

This means you are good and you inspired him to be a magician. Therefore you should feel great about it. Every magician was definately inspired by some magician when first started out and I bet you definately have been inspired by someone too.

Ok i have to admit i have experience the same thing as you. Whenever I have new tricks or any good ones, they will want to know the secret or want to learn. Always find it hard to keep them quiet. However I will get good reaction when i show to those not so close friend or complete stranger.

well it's tust that when people just started out as magician, they expect you to give them tips or let them in on secrets. and when you don't, they think you are stuck up.

This brings us back to the argument of whether magician should have the right to know secrets just because they call themselves magicians. And we all know that there is a price to pay to know these secrets and it should not be disclosed simply to anyone who does a trick or two. I certainly would not, not anymore at least.

But these new magicians do not have an idea of such policies and they become your greatest enermy because they are so eager to know how tricks are done, they sometimes turn into hecklers and openly announce some of the sleight that you did. I believe that this is because among a group of friends, everyone acknowledges you to be 'the' magician while ur new magician friend is the 'newbie'. This triggers a inferiority complex in some and thus they feel the need to prove to others in the group that he knows magic as well. As a results, they sometimes blurt out that you just did a DL, or if you did a pass they will go 'oh it's on top'.

one word: Sian.


ZiAn

i really like this topic :lol:
the magician population in my school is really getting higher i hope to stop it.
Newbie magic ^ = HECKLER ^

Guy have any tips to stop it?

Can I stop you from doing magic, Broderick? ;)

Cant really stop them hovever you can do something that they cant even figure out or any advance flourish. Then tell them if wana really learn magic must be like this. Just a personal opinion. :rolleyes:

To stop others (those who just want to know secrets and some magic) just do this everytime you see them:

*1*
Newbie: "Hey, let me show you something I just learn..."
Yourself: "Never mind lah, I find it boring already..."
(then just walk away)

*2*
Newbie: "Hey, got anything new?"
Yourself: "Nothing, I've stop learning already..."
(then just walk away)

*If you can influence others to learn, you can influence them to stop also...*

-Alan-

Good advice dude=))
thanks i will use that but usually i make people not want to learn magic by making it look impossible :P

First of all you can tell if that friend of yours is really sincere in learning magic.

If he goes like "Hey tell me how you do that trick lei! I wanna learn and show it to that cute girl in our class!" It is likely that he just want to learn a trick or two to impress others. Maybe he just wants to know the secret.

If he comes to you and asks you to accompany him to a magic store, or ask you for opinion of a certain trick...he is most likely sincere in learning.

I had friends who asked me for the secrets, and I would never tell them.

Then there is this friend that came to me and said something like "I want to start learning magic. Which book or DVD can get me started? Which deck do you think is better for beginners like me? Stripper Deck or Svengali Deck?" Of cos I'll be glad to give him some advice.

[/QUOTE]But these new magicians do not have an idea of such policies and they become your greatest enermy because they are so eager to know how tricks are done, they sometimes turn into hecklers and openly announce some of the sleight that you did.[QUOTE]

Bring new is not an excuse. If they really turn into hecklers and told everyone the sleights you did, just toss a deck or coin to him and ask him to perform. Most of the time they would not dare to perform. Even if they do perform, after their performance you can tell them "What if I break down every single step of your routine in front of your audience now?"

For that friend of mine he did not heckler me a single time. In fact if he is in the group, I'll ask him to perform first. But every time he'll let me perform instead.

brederick, why would you want to stop other people from getting exposed to magic? isnt it the same as being selfish as to keep everything to yourself and not share if the person is really interested in magic?

and i dont think that any one should stop any one who is keen in magic but encourage the person at least even if you dont want to teach him any thing...

jon

Well, I do have a friend who has picked up magic after I have performed during my NS period. However, after ORD and he has gone for his further studies, he began to lose interest of this hobby. I feel that it is good to inspire people who are really keen in magic art but there might be people who are just learn for the sake of learning and do not appreciate the art itself. In chinese we says "san fen zhong re du".

You can easily find out whether other people are really interested to learn the art of magic. If a person is very inspired and motivated to learn magic with a passion in it, he/she would definitely keen to do more research by learning from vcds/dvds, books etc. Moreover, learning magic doesn't stop even though you are busy with studies or work. It is just a matter that whether you really have a passion in it. :)

Have inspired a few to take up the art, but it is extremely fustrating when they do not practise and perform the same effect you perform earlier, and mess it up in the process, exposing everything. One of these friends for example, has spent so much on magic, but his persentation is just terrible. Some are just not "cut out" at performing.

But these magician friends make good "buddies" to test out new effects or to bounce off ideas. And since we are usually be more "skilled" then those we inspire (unless of course you are lazy to invest time to continue improving) to become magicians, they will still be a joy to perform since they will still often leave as bewilded as any other spectator.

haha i have to correct my post to say what i really mean

i really like this topic :lol:
the magician population in my school is really getting higher i hope to stop it.
Newbie magic how are not intersted and quit really soon ^ = HECKLER ^

Guy have any tips to stop it?

seriously its not worth our time to teach a person if you know he/she is not serious about magic :lol: :lol:

yes, broderick that's true. BUT, you can't possibly stop any one from picking up magic right? you may not want to teach the person but that does not mean you can stop him/her from getting into magic.

when you started magic about 3 months ago, did any one stop you? i'm sure no ones want any one to stop him/her from getting into magic but encourage though even if you don't want to teach...

so, you could just tell them you can't teach them but NEVER, put them down..

jon

hey brod.

i have to say this. you're getting better now. improved a lot. from a magician, you now can even foresee the future. Well, what i wanted to say is that how would you know a newbie or should i say, a beginner would not continue in doing magic? it's not wrong to protect the secret of magic but you aren't thinking the right way. Even though there isn't any definition of a correct way to protect it, but please at least understand this. Every one started off as a newbie too.

So. Why do you want to STOP the population of people doing magic when every one is interested in it? Instead of asking them not to learn and stop them from learning because you are afraid they might become hecklers, why not brush up your skills then they would not be able to heckle?

Its part of OUR fault that people would heckle because they may see your "flash" So what WE can do is to practice more!

Lastly. All those people who are interested in magic, don't hesitate. Just do it. There are friendly people out there that are willing to help! =]

Thanks both stuart and jon for the advice =)
maybe i should change my thinking.
Unless people are really intested i will not teach them.
And as jon said i will not put down on anyone for doing magic=)
my mistake

cheer brod

hi,

I like your approach Multi-Talent.

I still think being a magician must really be firm even that your good and close friend really want to know the trick behind.

I always tell my friend this if they want to know:-

the magician principal/rules

1. never repeat(one the same performance)
2. never reveal(or else those people doing business will have no business)
3. never use to con(make profit)

also, I will tell them if you really have passion then u learn, if you just want to know what the trick behind then forget it.

just see and get entertain.

cheers,
Kingz

If a person is really interested, I may just teach a very basic sleight of hand move. If he is really interested and practises it and is able to perform that effect well in a few weeks time, I may consider teaching him more. I use that to measure the level of interest he has. Will not teach him more unless he shows that he is genuinely interested in improving the art. If after this he is still interested and shows himself to practise well, I will refer him to resources on the net that he can go to if he wants to know more. Put it this way, if a person is all talk, but never spents a cent to improve his art, he probably isn't that interested. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Why stop people from picking up the interests? I am surprised. That's a very selfish mentality. If previously people stop you from learning, will you be what you are now? Think about this. We should encourage the growth of interest in magic. There are so many to learn and we never stop learning. I doubt any magician dare to step out here and tell us that he knew everything about magic from top to bottom. For goodness sake, everyone of us are still learning. There are always new stuff that evolves over the years. Keep the learning spirit alive till the time you breathe your last. :P