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muscleaxl - May 21, 2007 12:09 PM (GMT)
From an earlier poll on colour change, a lot of you like Shapeshifter (think it came 2nd after the Eradnase).

How many of you encounter this problem: when you flick the card, the spec realize something is wrong with the ending "position". I know not every spec is that sharp, but I came across 2 guys recently who pointed out the problem.

I know one solution is to NOT use the change or use the one-handed version but... due to the nature of the effect, I need to use Shapeshifter (or else I must do the one-handed twice, which IMO, doesn't look nice).

Any ideas here?

yong_tianadeline - May 21, 2007 01:07 PM (GMT)
I noticed this problem even before i got to know the name of the change. Cos my brother was fooling around with my cards and he actually thought of the change by himself and showed it to me (and fooled me, though he later pointed out the change in position to me)...

The way i do it is to change the card and smoothly shift the cards so that you hold it by the long side of the cards, rather than continue holding it at the two edge. This way, i thought at least the change in position would not be so impressionable, hence less noticeable. At least, so far, it works for me.

A.

Xproject - May 21, 2007 01:10 PM (GMT)
seriously this is a very minor backside of the shapeshifter, just don't worry about it and perfrom! Spec won't notice it and if you really worry about it don't perfrom for this type of spec,choose your spec wisely go for those Heart type spec.

Gate

<Aaron> - May 21, 2007 02:11 PM (GMT)
Cool i performed it once and my cousin pointed the change in position. Though he couldn't figure out what happened to the original card, he said the ending postion was "weird and different from starting." So i prefer to do the one handed SS or just EGO!!! :off: Ego is my favourite colour change!! ^_^

Perhaps after u do the SS move, u can just drop the cards back on the pack. You can draw attention away from the pack by moving your right hand away and show it empty.

Edit: i don't really like the SS move because it tends to wear out the sides of your cards. :(

Aaron

iNvIsIbLe - May 21, 2007 02:22 PM (GMT)
Yes, I have performed SS to some of my female colleagues before and they are smart enough to somehow know the concept of that move but do not know how to execute it.

I agree that SS is a great move but it can be only do once to that particular spectator. Thus, normally I won't do SS to end my trick. I would prefer Erdnase color change to finish off my routine. haha. :)

Ace - May 21, 2007 03:36 PM (GMT)
I never encounter this problem before.

If you are doing the normal SS, drop the cards back on the top of the deck right after you execute the change. The cards will be squared on the deck and they won't notice the ending position.

For the one handed SS, the same thing applies.

I seldom do the normal shapeshifter, cos the one handed one looks more magical.

If they still notice there is something wrong with the position (which I highly doubt) just perform a snap change or other fast looking colour changes and asked them if they see anything this time.

sean - May 24, 2007 07:08 PM (GMT)
First off, sorry if there's any exposure, i do not mean it.
I was one of those who voted for shapeshifter. The first time i saw this move was on the Army of 52 teaser where Justin Miller is performing the 'pip repositioning' effect. He ended that short but jaw dropping G**F D**K routine with the SS. I was floored.

After knowing the method and practicing the move EVERYDAY, i really came to respect this move because SS creates an INSTANT effect. In my humble opinion, it's definitely very powerful as a finisher to a progressive build up. Make no mistake, I use and respect the Erdnase classic change too as i feel this move is very casual and GRACEFUL.

Sorry enough of my rambling, the point is, in my opinion, if the spec notices the different positioning of the card after SS is executed, i feel that maybe SS was not suitable for that particular routine or effect to begin with? Maybe the presentation was not built up in a way where an SS would be most effective?

SS should be a SUPER CLIMAX! Performer needs to psycho the spec into seeing a jarring visual change rather than a 'oh ok, look the card change, yay! no reaction' type of situation. Spec is more amazed by the fact that the card has INSTANTLY changed and the fact that the position changed just reinforces this reality(some sort of a secondary minor effect to the actual card change. Like jerking their eyes and telling them,'saw that?').

Spec should be thinking WTF the card moved a bit and it's a different card?!?!?! I feel the psychology of the spec should be (1)notice the card itself change colour etc more than (2)end position different.

And lastly, i strongly feel that SS should not be shown on its own. There may be others who feel otherwise but if you just perform SS (or any other changes)as is, it's just an effect and not magic. Showing SS as is may also be one of many reasons that the spec notices the position difference rather than the card change itself.

I did SS and even erdnase on its own before when i was so eager to show off to my mum after i mastered them to some degree and trust me, i REGRETTED it. Doing a move on its own and using the move INTO a card routine is a world of difference!

Sorry i talk a lot. Those are my 2 cents. Thanks for reading.

mattlee - May 25, 2007 04:00 AM (GMT)
Hold on a sec...

If I remember corectly, there is technically no such thing as a one handed shapeshifter.

That is called the twirl change and its by Ed Marlo.

The shapeshifter is by Bryan De Souza, and is the name given to a new handling of the twirl change such that the card changes instantly. He adapted it from the pirouette change, which is yet another handling of the twirl change.

timo - May 25, 2007 05:04 AM (GMT)
So far i have not encountered this problem but to play safe, what i always do is after the change, immediately hold the cards in a mechanics grip way. This should divert all attention to the card and not the position.

Xproject - May 25, 2007 05:45 AM (GMT)
seriously no one would notice, but if you do more thing to cover it up it will lead the spec to be suspicious just relex and do it.

muscleaxl - May 25, 2007 08:55 AM (GMT)
Yes, I think the name is not really call "One-handed Shapeshifter", I used the name only because a magician (Greg Wilson or Richard Sanders? I'm not sure) said it in a DvD. I remembered he credited it to Jay Sankey... I could be wrong.

Can somebody confirm the name of the change and creator?

Anyway, I agree with sean. Colour Changes shouldn't be done independently. I also regretted performing the changes to a friend... he saw through my Eradnase, which I didn't do well.


joeltay81 - May 25, 2007 05:02 PM (GMT)
Not sure if you are refering to the same one as I am thinking off. But Jay Sankey did show a few different method of changing the card with one hand... somewhat like a modified shaprshifter. Needs much less practise. But I think the original shapeshifter is more visual.

muscleaxl - May 28, 2007 04:45 AM (GMT)
Ok, there is this Instant Download trick at Penguin called "Joker's Wild". Oz Pearlman used Shapeshifter and the "one-hand" version to change the cards.

For those enlightened ones, can tell me what's the name of the one-handed version and is it from Jay Sankey or Marlo?

chteo - May 28, 2007 05:05 AM (GMT)
I suppose you're referring to the TWIRL CHANGE?

If it is, then its by Marlo.

Sankey uses it quite often.

muscleaxl - May 28, 2007 07:49 AM (GMT)
Ok, so I would call it the Twirl Change next time, by Marlo.

Man, couldn't believe those old-timers have so much time and brain-juice to come up with all these sleights. Don't they have a life outside magic? :P Ok... I'm just jealous I can't come up with any...

chteo - May 28, 2007 08:28 AM (GMT)
Lol.

Im pretty sure in the past, they have much more time than us, lookin at the pace the world advances now.





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