Hello fellow magicians. I have read the "Invent and Submit a Trick" section on Ellusionist.com. I am wondering if lets say you really managed to create your own magic effect never seen on the market before, would you submit it to Ellusionist and get the credits? From my point of view, if I had my own effect, I would submit it to Ellusionist and earn the credit. Not the money but the fame. Would you guys do the same? Or would you rather submit it somewhere else [example?]. Or even keep it to yourself?

Keep it to yourself. Please.

If you want, distribute it yourself.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be famous.I hope to see your product up on ellusionist soon.TheSilentillusionist remember to put smc in the credits.

I'm not so sure about the famous part. If you submit your trick to the ellusionist, your effect will sure be famous. But you might not be that famous. It is very likely that they will get Daniel Garica or Wayne Houchin to teach your effect. For example I remember the effect Kaos but I cannot remember who created it. I can only remember Daniel Garcia is in the Kaos video.

If you really want the fame, you can keep the trick to yourself. Then you will have your own signature effect and only you yourself know how to perform it. Just like Cyril's burger out of poster effect.

For me, I'll release the effect myself, which is what I'm doing now.

TheSilentillusionist you have a new magic effect? Maybe you can show us a video? Looking forward to it! =)

if u're not a pro magician,i think submitting to ellusionist is a good idea becos they are one of the few companies that are willing to take in rookie submission and completely / fully market them till they're really well known , unlike murphys and stuff


if u're a pro magician with a good rep then murphys would be the way to go . as there are also lotsa pros to deal with murphys


the other site that u could consider would be Penguin magic, they too offer such a service and unlike ellusionist , u'd be more likely to teach the material urself (e.g morgan strebbler )

HOWEVER ! what ellusionist does with getting justin miller or daniel garcia to teach ur effect ( e.g kaos/mindbender ) puts a lot of backing behind ur effect and ensures that people will accept them naturally as good products because of the star magicians employed to teach the effect.Those who studymarketing will understand what i mean.

So that's not a bad thing idea when u consider that kevin parker 's revolution was taught by brad,and yet kevin is receiving the royalties



all the best !!! ^_^

Thanks for your replies. I sort of sent in a write up of the effects to the methods of doing the effect. Yeah, I'm not a professional yet. I still have many things to learn. I'm not too sure but from what I know, I have not yet seen similar trick. As in the idea of doing the trick. I have heard that there are such effects but don't think its the same way of doing. My effect is pretty easy and uses everyday materials. Handphones is one of the material. Ha ha. Its a handphone effect. I only sent in a write up of what is the effect and whats the method to Ellusionist. I did not send a video because the idea of the effect came to me yesterday when I was sitting alone at my mum's stall and suddenly that idea popped to my mind. I did not have time to get the materials to make the gimmick itself so there are no performances videos or instructional videos. I stated in the submission that if Ellusionist wants to buy my idea, they can email me back and I will send them an instructional video[I have sent them an explanation of how to do but words might not be too clear to describe]. So now, I'm still waiting for their email ANXIOUSLY. Lols :lol:

I don't see why anyone with a substantial, well thought out trick should submit it to ellusionist, unless all they care is about money. Personal opinion though.

Unfortunately, while I don't like to make disparaging remarks, I have to agree with Icy's point. The idea should have at least been tested in some aspects first before it's worthy of being submitted. Work on the idea first, develop it and make sure it can work properly and that you can perform it well.

Ellusionist is not going to take half-baked ideas. I'm afraid your approach is not right. If you developed a video prior to submission and ensure that everything is accounted for properly, chances of your success would be higher.

Lols, I sort of spent the whole of that day planning how it should be done and did a type out of everything and read through it a lot of times. I then sat down again thinking very hard on whether I should send it in because I'm not very confident that they will buy it. And submitting it is not about the money of the shopping spree. Its about sharing the ideas that you have with others that might not know how its done so they can perform your beautiful illusions to others who appreciates it.

Firstly, is your idea worthy enough to be added to the already "filled with junks" magic literature and instructional tapes? Secondly, another oil and water, ACR ..... would be in my opinion, not worthy because the amount of work dedicated to this effect is really a lot. Unless you have something really exceptionally well.
Finally, even if you do have something substantial, you need to give the trick a lot of thoughts, before you even publish it.

well, magic is not about thinking up some clever idea and submitting it immediately to Ellusionist. Routines and effects have to be well thought out. The psychology of the audience has to be understood, the motivation for every move has to be justified and the flow of the effects has to be smooth. On top of that, the routine or effect has to be audience tested.

For example, Kevin Parker's idea for revolution is very clever, but what if he took it out onto the streets and his spectators pointed out immediately how he did it.

Nevertheless, good luck with your effect. I hope it's as awesome as pulling a handphone out of a picture.

ZiAn

PS: if i were you i would first try the effect on someone like a friend or family member.
If you require a gimmick, make it!
perform it for someone, and if they go 'huh, wth', then you can also ask yourself 'huh, wth was i thinking'
If not, then good la. Right? B)

Thanks for the advice=) Maybe its my first time so I'm a bit blur blur. Ha ha. But even if they don't buy it its ok. I can keep the effect for myself and have more time with the effect. Hmm, I might be able to keep the effect to myself and the only one who could perform it :rolleyes:

Well, perhaps you can do a marketing test.

Get 20 friends or relatives, perform for them and hear their comments.

If it's good, get 10 people who know their stuff (magicians) and perform for them and if they said something along the line, "how come I didn't think of that?", you have a good effect.

Anyway, the ultimate judge of an effect's worthiness is in the marketplace. Not what other magicians might think (though it is good to have an opinion from them). Ray Cosby has a version of oil and water, which in my opinion, is the best I've seen (maybe I've not seen a lot). Never did I think it's something unworthy to be marketed.

Most effects evolved from existing effect anyway.

Please post the video for the performance. Maybe then you will get the response from fellow magicians here from the comments and advice.

Don't think its a good idea to post a performance video for the public at the moment. I'm trying to improve on it and trying to perform to a few friends first and see the feedbacks. Thanks for your interest.

I strongly advice against posting it on public for people to review.
If the method can be reverse engineered, someone else could submit that same effect before you do!

More importantly is perhaps showing the effect to your personal friends or magicians first.
Getting a review from there's a much better alternative than posting on public.

Additionally, if the effect is a killer effect are you willing to release it so easily?

Personally I keep all my original reputation makers with me.
It's probably going to take me 10 years before I release or "submit to ellusionist."

All I'm saying is that, you know how much value the effect is.
Respect its value!
If it's really worth it to market to E, Make sure you get the most out of it!

I'd also like to comment that while you might not be teaching the effect,
People do remember.
Perhaps lay people won't, but I think the serious magician would always remember the original creator.

I don't see how people could forget Sean Beard from creating Kaos though :D

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