Here is a new coin through bottle effect.

http://www.precisionmagic.com/index.htm

lol ace , u're obsessed with coin thru bottle effects !

Haha I think so!! I got my own versions of CTBs, but I'll pick up other CTBs if they are good enough.

I was waiting for a new demo video that shows the visual penetration they are talking about...but seems like there won't be a new demo video. =(

The video just shows a coin already inside a bottle. -_-

I won't be getting this until I can see how visual it looks. For some reasons people on other forums says it looks amazing, but I cannot see the "magic" in the demo video.

This is my First Post and I am glad to be a member.

If you could perform real magic what would it look like? Could you perform miracles completely unprepared using nothing but borrowed objects? Would you be remembered by your audiences, leaving them in a complete state of astonishment?

Impervious is U.K. magician Christopher Williams and Canada's Jeremy Hanrahan's take on the classic Coin thru Bottle effect that creates the impression of real magic in the spectators mind.

The DVD features Christopher William's Ocular Perception an impromptu handling for the Coin Thru Bottle effect, and Jeremy Hanrahan's Untouchable which is an application of a never before seen principle of the Coin Thru Bottle.

i saw the demo vid

but it's not much of a demo video ?


they never show the full sequence of the trick and all they show are the reactions.

And i thought ellusionist made bad teasers....this takes the cake :angry:

Understandably, it's done to prevent reverse-engineering. Nothing wrong with that. If you're afraid of taking the first dip, wait a while for reviews to come up and see if the description in the advertisements are true for the product or whether there's false advertising.

interesting how ellusionist copes crap for releasing those kind of teasers but if it's other companies it's understandable ?

anyway more importantly : "The DVD features Christopher William's Ocular Perception an impromptu handling for the Coin Thru Bottle effect, and Jeremy Hanrahan's Untouchable which is an application of a never before seen principle of the Coin Thru Bottle "

* NEVER BEFORE SEEN PRINCIPLE *

So if this effect uses a new principle , why should they be afraid of reverse engineering ?


If the product can be easily reversed engineered , then it must be simply a modified handling of current theories and moves used in coin thru bottle effects,which i personally feel is just another waste of $$$

There a tons and tons of CIB effects available today, i think to warrant another CIB purchase really requires a lot of persuasion so i feel a full demo video should be the very least in judging how strong the effect is.

People from other forums are demanding a better demo too. At least show us the visual penetration they are talking about.
I believe a good demo video is important. The buyers have the right to know what the illusion looks like. Hence I make it a point to show people the full demo video of my effect.

According to the company, they already sold 400 copies. It is amazing that a demo video like that is able to make the illusion sell so well.

I have already contact one of the creators. We will be sharing the methods to our CTBs after they released their effect. This is also to make sure that we are not using the same methods for our CTBs. One of the Impervious effect sounds similar to the impromptu version of my effect Sealed & Stuck. Hope we are using different methods here.

Just because an effect uses a new principle doesn't mean it cannot be reverse-engineered.

If the company could give a full demo without fear of the effect being copied and reverse-engineered, then they WOULD do that because it would help sales alot. The fact they don't do that means that there are certain difficulties of capturing the effect on camera.

Ace, in putting out a full demonstration of your CIB, you've gotten comments that it looks dirty in handling. You've contended that it's not when you perform it for layman and you've gotten strong reactions. That is true for you. Unfortunately, on camera, the weaknesses of an effect can both be hidden or accentuated.

How can a camera take of an effect be a realistic demonstration? It isn't. There is a difference in performing for the camera and for a real audience.

Also, there are differences between the two: Demos and Teasers.

Teasers, which Ellusionist often uses, just shows the reaction of people and hardly even give an idea of what the effect is about. Its main use is to build hype and get people excited about what's coming.

Demonstrations should usually show the effect and give an idea of what the effect is about. Also, the objective of a demo is to increase the marketability of the effect.

In Impervious' case, they showed how the bottle is handled during which the penetration occurs. A brief idea.

True.

I think it also means that it cannot fool most magicians.

I know that some people will just look at the demo video and try to figure out the trick. But I still think it is fair to show other fellow magicians what they are buying. I cannot let a few "fishing magicians" stop other magicians from seeing the performance of my effect.

Jlowhy, in putting out a full demo, I have also gotten comments like "I am currently searching for the ultimate coin through bottle effect and I think Sealed and Stuck is it, it is the most visual without any funny jerks or covering moves."

I have comments from a lot of people. The interesting thing is, my effect got very extreme reviews and comments.

There are people who love my effect said it looks spectacular.

There is another group that just bashes it. The interesting thing is, those people who bash my effect are those people who are eagerly waiting and promoting the Ellusionist CTBs. A strange coincidence?

But using a camera to capture the real live performance of an effect is the best we can do to show other people what the effect looks like. It is impossible for us to go to every magician's house, knock on the door and show them a real live demonstration. A good demo video is the best thing the creators can do to show people what their effect looks like.

I agree that this demo video look more like a teaser to me. I hope this one is just a teaser, and they will give us a better idea of what the effect looks like soon.

At the end of the day , my point is this :


there are many ways to put a coin thru a bottle, just like there are many ways to advertise a product , and in this case the advertising looks very misleading.

Like Ace, i am always on a look out for a simple easy to do , visual and clean CTB/CIB to do that is relatively easy to do.

so far my favourite ones are Prohibition for beer bottles and Final Cap in bottle on the Underground jam dvd.

If the product is as good as it is , why be afraid of a few fishing magicians ? there are always gonna be around anyway.

Roland, the demo is not misleading AT ALL. It is merely an incomplete demo. Additionally, in the Magic Cafe, Christopher Williams is very honest in what his CIB can and cannot do.

Ace, kudos to you for putting up a full video performance. I think it is very unfair for people to be comparing your CIB to those of Ellusionist's especially when all that has been heard of is hype UNLESS those who testify have viewed the effect before. It's not possible to compare your CIB fairly to something that hasn't even been released yet.

However, I don't think that it is a wise move in the business sense to give a full performance of your CIB Ace. I hope you see where I'm coming from.

I highly doubt that they will release anything more than what they've shown. The effect should not just be based upon a video but also the written description of the effect. In fact, I would be cautious against an effect that looks too good on camera. (Eg. Ellusionist's Axis Change, from reviews, I hear that it is ridiculously impractical because of angles.)

Take in consideration the description offered when a product is being sold. I understand that the nature of the effect is supposed to be visual but that shouldn't be excluded either. In fact, alot of times, I find that the description is more important than the video. (Partially because many videos around are not very helpful.)

Yes, and I really respect him for that.

He said that the coin cannot be signed, the coin is not bigger than the mouth of the bottle, and the bottle is not factory sealed. The only 2 things he promised is his effect is impromptu and looks visual.

Thanks! =) I hope more people can understand that.

Yes, I totally agree that it is not a wise move in the business sense. It is inevitable that there will be people out there who watch my demo video again and again, just to figure out the method.

But I just want to be honest to the buyers. To me sales is not the most important thing.

The incomplete demo video of Impervious is not a wise move in the business sense either. Look at the responses from most of the forums, people are complaining about the demo video, and they said they will wait for the reviews or a better demo before buying the effect.

I'm not asking them to post a full demo video, at least post a close up of the visual penetration. It will really help them sell their effect.

I am more cautious of effects that sounds too good to be true, and don't have a good demo video to back it up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "Impervious" is such an effect. First of all Impervious sounds great, but not too good to be true. The creator is being very honest with his effect, and this makes me feel that I can trust his product.

I mentioned that I will check with the creators the methods of the CTBs, just to make sure that we are using different methods down here.

I recieved a pm a few days ago. Someone purchased both Impervious and my effect Sealed & Stuck.

It happens that the bonus handling of Impervious is using the same method as the impromptu version of Sealed & Stuck. The other 2 version of Impervious uses different methods from my effect. The only problem here is the bonus handling of Impervious.

Although my effect was released first, I don't think the creators of Impervious copied my effect. I have contacted Chris and he said that he honestly didn't know that my effect was available. Chris is a respectable magician, and I believe he came up with the method on his own.