I'm starting to explore mentalist effects....
Anybody can gimme some pointers about what tricks/effect is good out there?
what are the tips and tricks in this genre of magic?

I do do some mentalist effects but they mostly involve cards, and it's usually some kinda card force.

Feedback appriciated!


Cheers

Hey morphine :-)

so card the mentalism stuff i've got are max mavern, doc hilfford, kenton knepper and a little bit from jay sankey.

you're right that somehow most mentalism effects involve cards... playing cards, esp cards, etc. but i do have some kenton knepper stuff (kenton's little book of wonders & Xpert) and max mavern (from his video mind series) that don't involve card tricks...

you can check them out on the net. i can't give a strong confirmation if they're that good cos it's a personal preference and i also haven't had time to fully go through and master them <g> have fun in your research! ;-)

You've gotta show me some mentalist effects sometime. It's my most unknown area.

same here..xcept for cards, everywhere to me is in darkness...

and ya, even for cards, i dun learn many sleights, as long as that one sleight is able to get it pass throu, i hardly learn any other sleight that yield the same result..

hmmm... for kenton knepper stuff, u can check out his website www.wonderwizards.com and neil tobin has XPERT which is highly acclaimed too (i'm sure some of you already heard of it).

i have some docc hilfford stuff as well, but they're things to do with cards mainly. but his richey technique is rather brillant... not quite cards, like his cards of cairo, it's about divination and fortune telling.

mentalism manuals are EXPENSIVE :-( for me, as a rookie, there are things that i can't do yet (mainly because i'm not much for a stage person) and one big advantage is that people have a stronger perception of guys being magis... i'm not able to pull some things off.

anyways, if anyone wants to swap/buy anything, u can check out my mentalism stuff (as well as a whole load of other goodies) posted @ market place. i've got videos and books... lemme know :-)

Alright, Ning will show us some mentalist effects tonite B)

Think: if you were REALLY a mentalist, here's what the effect would be:

You think of something, and I tell you what it is. No cheating.

That's all. No book tests, no pick-a-card, no billet switches, no foreplay (for lack of a better word :P ), and no sneaky under-cover stuffs. Just "i stare into your face and see beyond your skull" kinda stuff.

Stuff just like that. Of course, stooges are always fun for this, but as for the moment, nothing comes to mind. I say just do some Darren Brown effects: those are probably as close as you can get. ;)

-Kev

hey i was about to post that guy derren brown. i had seen his zero inch punch vid and some of his other stuff on his site. He is a great mentalist. i have got "mindgames" created by him. Just one of the tricks frm the mindgames,all i have to do is keep a card(3ofdiamond)and i could force ppl to think of the that.

How about this effect: U call 4 spectator and ask each of them in sequence to think of an item of a particular subject let say for the first one type of flower. He/she write the type of flower & u write the prediction..before u go to the 2nd spectator u check the content just incase your prediction is incorrect.It seem ok. U do it to the next person with another subject same routine and so for. At the end all the prediction are correct. Another way use handphone to contact your friends and your friend predict the card/item correctly! Just an idea of routine only..

Where's David Regal's Self Edvident?

Wait for the Mediacorp/works/merger to air Derren Brown's specials on TV and Singaporeans will follow in his footsteps, the same way everyone did with David Blaine.

Seriously, try out Ultimental. Its a really cool trick and I think that its quite unique in the field of mentalism
http://www.jheff.com/Ultimental.html

explore it.... ;)

Derren Brown can induce toothaches.

vernon tricks that cannot be explained?

magically,
magicalee

you should check out richard osterlind. he is a pro at mentalism.

pam's mentalism performance during the IBM meeting was GREAT!!

i wud just say for good mentalism effects:
1. darren brown
2. richard osterlind
3. max maven
4. luke jermay

hey! wat about Banachek?!?! dont forget abt him!!!!

oops, how could i forget him?? of course, banachek!

i also learnt that one of pam's fav mentalist is dunninger. (i only vaguely rmb hearing of him though...)

hmm... what about jay sankey. you know, the so called Boris Pocus guy... ( i dont think he's good though)

i am so sorry, but for certain reasons, i just can stand jay sankey.

mainly cos he's irritating, and many of his "ideas" arent properly credited (if at all), and arent new. well, u can say application is new, but application is a rather shallow "improvisation", and not enough to justify the line "by jay sankey".

well, i guess im biased towards him. his effects are probably too commercial (for ppl who wanna buy them) than practical/good.

uri geller? people said he's a psychic. but i dont think so.

Quoting Kevin, he's very right!

A real mentalist: what you are thinking now is ......

no cards, no numbers, nothing.

However, that will be really boring isn't it? Where's the suspense, the build up, the impossibility of sheer coincidence vs real mind reading?

My favourite mentalism effects are as such:

[Jay Sankey]: Show an audience a packet of 10-15 cards. All are the same cards,say 6ofclubs except for the queen of hearts right smack in the middle. "i'm trying to make you choose the different card, you cannot resisit me." the audience of course resisted the temptation and picked a regular 6ofclubs. As he reveals those cards, all has blue backs, except for the chosen 6ofclubs.

[Jay Sankey]: Show a person some regular shapes and have him sign on the card with the shapes. Tell him to remember them. The magician will try to create a memory lapse for him, as he explains to the audience. The magician shows the audience the card and ask the person to name the shapes out. He names all but one which he seemingly forgotten.

Of course, my favourites are still Richard Osterlind. Sorry to say, but Banacheck's effects looks like child's play compared to him.

PEACE! B)

he's definitely not a psychic, he's simply a fraud who claims he is. either that, or he's dellusioned.

there are people out there who are vying to expose him. (like houdini used to with all the mediums of his time:))

of course he's right! thats obviously what a real mentalist is supposed to do.

but in the first place, we should not claim to be real mentalists. definitely, we are trying to entertain them by what seems to be mentalism. it is amazing for audiences to witness such seemingly impossible feats of one of the greatest mysteries of all time, the mind...

and if there is a "real mentalist", it is possible for him to theatricalise his mentalism/mediumnistic/psychic act, and entertain just as well (if not better).

you are exactly right man. we shouldn't claim to be real mentalists. Overlooked on that.

Just love ideas that the effects suggests that we are some sort of a mentalists.

Well.. but if you are performing, you have to "think" that you are one. Cause only when you think that you are doing a real mentalist stuff, therefore the audience will be entertained and be amazed.

This is to obtain the best result in your performance too.

anyway, here's a couple of great mentalist stuff.

1. David Regal's Self Evident

2. Richard Osterlind's Watch Routine ( freaking cool )

3. Richard Osterlind's Radar Deck ( this one is soooo damn cool. Ask 4 specs to memorize any card as you spread the deck face up. In the end, you name all 4 specs cards correctly and you can even name what cards they almost picked! )

4. Extreme. the one done for 3 people. ( Don't say I'm lame, its freaking good)

i totally agree with you the Richard Osterlind's watch routine! it just messes my sense of logic up when i first saw it!

Hmm, would you describe David Regal's Self evident and Extreme? Much appreciated. thanks!

Self Evident:

Blue deck is shown on both sides that it is perfectly normal. Deck is cut in half and spectator is asked to select a half. Spectator then deals the cards face up and stops at any card he wants. The card that the spectator stops at is the only red card in the entire pack.

Extreme ( the one done for 3 ppl ) :

Blue deck is shown on both sides, and 3 spectators are asked to select a card each. Blue deck is kept and magician pulls out a red deck saying that he has marked 3 cards with a cross yesterday night. Magician asks the spectators to look for their cards in the red pack as the magician counts out the cards.The magician then realises that there are only 49 cards in the red pack. 3 are missing. Spectators are asked to flip over their cards and the 3 cards that they have chosen have an X on the back and the cards are red backed.

Nick.

though it's an old thread, thanks! went to look up for Richard Osterlind's clips and simply blows my mind off! i was swearing as he did it. haha cool mentalism or watever

The Extreme looks very familiar leh. Can i know is it related to byran will "Extreme" trick? But anyway, i know the effect of the extreme(done by 3 ppl) and i can say it is freaking good!!

that does not seem like a mentalism effect to me...

the shadow touch [ is it called this ? ]

can it be considered mentalism?

where the shadow of hand touches blindfolded subject and the subject actually felt it...


I tried that once and most spectators were flabergasted by the effect...

except for 1 whom managed to crack it...

I think you are referring to PK Touches...although it has many variations....

I love this one.

pk touches?

any web links with a better writeup?

or even a vid demo?

http://www.ronjo.com/thestore/prods/psychtouch.html

luke jermay's Skullduggery is strong mentalisim, you have to learn the The 7th Deception!! haha go check it out at murphys!

how about Jay Sankey Amazing Psychic Feats Anyone Can Do?

is it good for beginners?

also Richard Osterlind Mind Mysteries vol 1, is it good for beginners?


any other recommendations?

thanks

i never felt that sankey's material were good.i would recommend richard osterlinds easy to master mental miracles or banacheks dvds

ok..i'll go with the advice on richard osterlinds' materials

thanks :D