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chris vs blaine

What is your opinion? :unsure:

wow they seem like they hate each other :P

Oh no... the Angel Vs. Blaine argument makes it to this forum. Honestly, I think this is a question best left asked to the guys over in Penguin, not here. Both have different styles. Angel has been named Magician of the Year twice, and he's been doing his stage shows way before Blaine became successful. Angel has a gothic style, Blaine has his shamanistic impressions. Angel is more proficient at stage, and Blaine's better close-up. Blaine's TV shows have been more successful than Angel's. Blah blurgh bloop. Oh, and just to let you know, that is an OLD link.

I've gotta say one thing though that both have in common. If they wanna start a feud with each other, they're both total idiots.

C.

Haha, yeah, this is stale news already.

Anyways, I admire Angel's style and theme - He's more complete, an effective close-up performer to an inspiring stage magician. Of cos, I love his Gothic blend in his works.

For Mr. Blaine. He's more into close up or what he calls - Street Magic. Yeah, he's inspiring for new becoming-magicians, that's good. And I like his endurance stunts alot, shows us that we can do more than we think we can. My favourite stunt of his is Vertigo anyway.

Both are good in their ways. :)

vs ..... hm...... i prefer criss and blaine is gay....
B)

i didnt really like blaine's publicity stunt or his magic. but credit has to be given for his contribution to the recognition of street magic and his ability to sell himself.

but those 2 shud not b insulting each other. its bad impression of magic to others.

Maybe, Blaine is trying to express himself through his stunts?

Anyway, I still like Blaine, although he's abit phony sometimes. Whereas, Criss is more theatrical and stage type.

I thank Blaine for inspiring me alot to take up magic. I thank Criss for encouraging me to continue my journey and blending rock/metal music into magic. B)

D...e...r...r...e...n...B...r...o...w...n...

Try guessing whos my favourite celebirty magician/mentalist?

All both their eyes looks electrifiying! Love their haunting stares! Both of them rocks! Both are my magic idols.




Vertigo! My fave!
The guy that I adored....

Haha, I'm can get crazy over my idols, pardon...

You just HAD to do that.

i prefer blaine
he was one of the few guys who got me into magic
as fer criss angel
well
i think he looks like some guy frm some satanic cult:x

peace

Hi-5, fellow Blaine maniac! :P

Criss is just goth, nothing more. ;)

NO!!!! ok i agree Blaine got me into magic ... so i like him for that ..... but ok lets have a look .... blaine street magic ok.. not bad
what about criss angel street magic ... ROCK!!!!!!!!
CRISS ANGEL ROCK ... ok i dont mean to insult anyone ..... but i will go with criss ... for he is SICK ..... blood and satanic stuff thats what i dont like ... but u gotta agree he is better



B)

ANGEL ROX!!!!

Ok, lemme do a rational statistic and analysis not on my ahem ''Crush'' factor.

Criss Angel -- 53 %
Mr. Blaine -- 47 %

They are so close! Tough to decide....

Hey, how about...

Blaine vs. Angel vs. Magic vs. Flourishes vs. Buck vs. Handlordz vs. Apple vs. Microsoft vs. Alien vs. Predator vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. God vs. Satan?

Seriously, all these fueds are making me sick. WHy can't pride be put aside for a second? Burr.

-Kev

Kevin's right!

laffs.

Alien vs Predator
Superman vs Alien
Star Wars vs Star Trek

and
so
on

THAT AIN'T FAIR! Alien has to fight two people!

And while we're off topic, I would like to mention that you should always check for toiler paper BEFORE you go and have diarrhoea. Just a tip.

-Kev

Haha then i think that was totally off topic
B)

Ha..ha..got u all!! Just to make people contribute to the post that's why this question crops. :lol: :lol:

anyway in my opinion, come on! bloody holy shit!
i tell u guys! if oz pearlman ah, were to go to ABC and show some stuff.
i tell u , he will be more successsful than blaine.

wad blaine does? stuff that is not original, stuff that had been shown on tv and so many things.... bla blabla... ok la.. oz pearlman got some cool things and his handlings are like so many times better! he is only like 20+... he can patter so well... then david blaine is like going mad, trying to do those stunts.. no longer really doing street magic... then now become wad!
hollywood stunt wannabe! lol.. but i still kinda like him la. he OK OK!

criss angel = BEST! haha... he very very cool. does crazy things.. he so good.. he much daring than blaine.. he blindfold then climb like 20 storey high building.. then walk on that long plank and take off the blindfold. siao la! that one is sick.. btw he put two coins at the eye.. to prove he really blind folded..

criss will win blaine .. but blaine doesnt dare or maybe some reasons nv go challenge.. if side by side challenge. 99 % criss

Number 1: I can't stand singlish.

Number 2, your argument has absolutely no basis.

You need to go read what Kevin said. Why bring yet ANOTHER magician into the frame to compare? But since you want to do so, let's compare. David Blaine achieved the success he achieved in 1997 because he is David Blaine. He was the person who brought magic back to the mainstream and presented it in the unique style that he did in his TV shows. David Blaine sparked the whole close-up/strolling kind of magic, without which, I don't think half of the magicians would even know of some guy called Oz Pearlman. Someone like Oz certainly wouldn't be able to replicate the effect/success that Blaine has produced and achieved in his TV shows in the past years.

Blaine certainly doesn't do effects that are original. Then again, you compare him with Oz Pearlman, and Oz certainly doesn't do effects that are original idea. What he does is take other people's inventions, change about 2% of the handling, and then rename it as his own, which is why you have things like his "Starry Eyed Surprise" (Lee Asher's Thunderbird) and "Red Hot Mamacita" (Chicago Opener), and so on so forth. I wouldn't consider that original at all. But that's beside the point. At least the way Blaine PRESENTS the effects make them seem more surreal/more unique (before Blaine came onto the scene, I didn't see any shows on TV that projected the same type of larconic personality/surreal style that Blaine projected) as opposed to Oz's way of presenting them ("here, I'll just riffle down the deck and you say 'stop'. I like girls who can't say 'stop'" - well, he didn't actually say that, but that's basically the gist, lots and lots of cheesy jokes, and a recognisable approach that isn't so different from many other performers).

Then you say "stuff that has been shown on tv" - by which, you probably mean, stuff that has been shown on TV BEFORE, which is ridiculous. Blaine brought the whole "close-up magic" fad to TV. Few and probably unknown performers probably did the same things that he performed on TV before that. It was AFTER Blaine's success that you saw all the same stuff popping up on TV.

With this basis for an argument the same could be said about THOUSANDS of other performers out there. Also, Oz Pearlman, like I mentioned before, does NOT do what I assume you think are his original effects. Also, in terms of card handling, I can safely say that Blaine is FAR more proficient than Oz. Oz has been doing card magic for 10 years, Blaine for well over 25. Oz may display a large variety of moves in his videos, and that's because he's the DEMONSTRATOR for penguin magic. A lot of his card handling is flawed. All you may see Blaine doing are what YOU may consider as "amateur moves"/basic card handling, but he performs them near-flawlessly (e.g. his push-off double), and quality always presides over quantity.

Using Oz's age as a reason is also stupid. Since you say Oz is better because he's younger, I can also safely add some of MY favorite young and up-coming performers like Joshua Jay, Lee Asher, Kostya Kimlat, the Bucks, Apollo Robbins, Andrew Wimhurst, Pit Hartling and ME (well, not really me) to name a few, to that list.

So you're saying that Oz is a good performer but not Blaine? Actually, no, I don't think he can patter well. It's just okay. There's nothing special about it that makes him stand out from everyone else. On the other hand, Blaine's performing style IS unique, and his shamanistic way of presenting himself to an audience with very little talking and lets his magic do the talking instead of letting useless patter (by saying "useless" I mean inappropriate and I mean it subjectively). So actually, I believe Blaine is a by far a better showman than Oz is.

That's his own decision to make, and no one has a right to criticise that.

Criss Angel's style is different from Blaine's. VERY different. Criss was doing stage shows even before Blaine came onto TV. After that it pretty much seems like he started copying Blaine's hit-and-run-kind-of-magic style in his shows after that was popularised. They both do different stunts and I guess it's personal taste after that. However, you saying before that Blaine is a "hollywood stunt wannabe" is unfair because right here, you're lavishly praising Angel for what? His STUNTS. Shouldn't you be calling him a "hollywood stunt wannabe" too? How pretentious is that?

You'll never know until it does happen. But like I said, they may have different styles but if they want to continue their feud, they're both common in the sense that they're both idiots.



Number 3:here's what I think of the usual stupid argument of "why is David Blaine so successful-because-he-uses-common-gimmicks-does-amateur-card-thingamajigs-and-has-no-presentation". This doesn't have any relevance to the post, but I thought I'd throw it in here. The stuff below are supposed "arguments" that I've read many people say. Well, not exactly, but it's essentially the point they're trying to make.

Blaine doesn't deserve to be so successful! It's disrespectful to those TRUE masters like Da...Die...Dei...Dai Vah...whatever that guy's name was!

- People say that crap most of the time because they wanna jump on the hate-Blaine-bandwagon which makes them feel more intelligent/elitist.

Blaine uses common gimmicks that can be found in my great grandmother's attic. Or, my local store, if you wish.

- Only uses common gimmicks found in stores? Give me a freaking break. I wonder where you were when the program was showing Blaine do all his card work or the other magic miscellanea that DIDN'T use a raven or an invisible deck? Because guess what, newsflash: there was a TON of that. I'm sick to death of the stupid "only uses gimmicks" crap. And guess what? Even with what you call "common gimmicks found in stores", he manages to transform them from what YOU see as gimmicks into unexplainable magic for the SPECTATORS.

I used to find Blaine fantastic. Now, I'm 2 years into magic, I finally know how to hold a deck in my hand the proper way, and now he just seems amateurish.

- You already profess to finding Blaine fantastic when you were still a layman/new to magic. Magicians perform for laymen, NOT for magicians. You say you found him fantastic, as did most of the laymen who watched him perform. You just answered your own question as to why he's successful.

His card work is the stuff of beginners!

- What do you define being "amateurish"? Is it is flawless push-over double, or maybe the fact that he can perform Paul Harris' very, very hard Simple Switch, or Randy Holt's very, very hard Curly Cue move? Quality ALWAYS presides over quantity and his card work may not have that great a variety but it is simple and effective, as I imagine you would have realised from his TV specials.

Blaine's vocabulary consists of three words: Watch, look, and watch. And he's so bland and monotone! He has absolutely no performing skills.

- No performing skills? His lack of presentation IS his presentation. He lets his magic do all the talking and strays away from useless patter like "this voodoo doll was passed on for 5 generations in my family and it will endow upon me a special magical aura whose power originates from the deep valleys of Mount Idontgiveacrap and blah, blah, and blah". Most magis (well, maybe not David Regal) wouldn't be able to pull off something like that without having a gun pointed in your face.

I tried copying his (Blaine's)style and all those girls laughed at me and made fun of my hair. Their giggles still haunt me in the night. His style has absolutely no effect!

- No effect? You COPIED someone else's presentation, which isn't suitable for your freaking self. Get that right. You learn how to develop your OWN performing style, and you do NOT take someone else's style, which has been developed specifically for that person, because you will be a moron if you did that. David Blaine's style is for his OWN character, and he can pull it off well and evidently freak a lot of people out, and it doesn't fit YOU or practically anyone else for that matter.

NOW you begin to wonder, [I]why was it that Blaine could be obtaining screams that could be heard halfway round the world when I was being labelled "Mr. Stoneman" by all the cool guys and gals?, because guess what, it's you, and the fact that you blatantly copied it off someone else and couldn't pull it off well. Same thing goes for every other performing style in magic. [/I]

Number 5: I can't stand singlish.

C.

Woot! What a briliant rebuke! Nice one, really. B)

wow... super long and super detailed comment CLJ.. great work.. nicely explained :)

did anyone ever see angel doing his subtrunk illusion? He still the fastest with the record of 2sec without curtain change. Wow!