It's been a long time since anybody made a post here. Hmm... does that mean nowadays magicians have no problems at all? Or they re just shy to ask?

Anyway...

Guess most of you can do or at least know a decent coin across routine. For me, I am doing a modified version of David Roth's Winged Silver, not done on table but a stand-up version and using an e***a coin.

Ok, the questions are: (I will try to be as clear as possible)

1. Every time a coin is transposed, we will usually do a shuttle pass to show the coin from left to right... and the patter (roth's) is "look the coin has jumped from here (right) to here (left)."
Is there anyway to do the shuttle pass with a less corny line (sorry, personal opinion) yet still maintain the motivation of doing the pass?

2. I use the FP to hold out the coin on my left due to the fact I'm using the classic Roth's styled shuttle pass. But with the kapps subtlety (I think it's kapps, abit confused with ramsey), I "put" the coin on the right back to my left.

But a problem I have is the "windows" on my fingers which spoiled my effect on 2 occassions.

One way I've learned from another guy was to hold out using classic p on the left. But what subtlety can I use when I put the right coin back to the left? Or is there a better way?

Can't really help you on the patter part as I don't do it using e***a coin. Why don't you try other versions with 4 coins only? I can share with you when we meet up.

As for the Kaps Subtlety, if the coin is in FP position, its Ramsey Subtlety, if its in CP, then its Kaps. ;)

Yo Axl, those are good questions which I've faced before and I'll try and see if I can help you out.

(1) For your 1st question on having a better line, what I can suggest is that instead of saying what has happened (ie: Look the coin has jumped from here to here...), you can script out your routine and present it with a meaning or story. Like this, each coin that jumps across will have a MEANING. For example, if you're presenting about people always fumbling for change you can use a form of patter that the coins tend to jump from the left pocket to right pocket and back again but of course your hands will act as the pocket.

Basically, script out your routine and re-write it over and over again. You'll manage to finally hit one patter that suits you.

(2) As Bernard mentioned. If your coin is in FP then its the Ramsey subtlety. The window is a problem I had as well. I found that 1 can eliminate it either through:

- Keep the hand with the coin in FP in movement. The movement need not be big, just small and light move ments like rubbing your finger tips or gestering by pointing. Ramsey is not meant to be a display to hold out but as a subtlety that blends in with your natural movement. Hence, don't be contrived and act as though you're hiding something. Have an Open Display through your body language and it'll help eliminate any suspicion.

- Change from a FP position to a Lower EG position (Not sure if it's the right name). I don't really recommend this as it takes a knack to go into that position while it is in FP. Plus it'll flash from the sides.

- Use a CP instead of a FP. Many a times, the Kaps subtlety can be stronger convincer than the Ramsey subtlety. You'll have to play around and find out.

I recommend the 1st one where you keep your hand in movement as I feel that it works on the true meaning of subtlety and having the subtlety work with you and not just for you. Have fun playing around....

Let's session when we meet up. I still have a lot to work on my Coins Across routine as well.

Bernard, share share with me too ya.... Thanks... ^_^

Hmm... nobody else besides Jerome and Bernard do Coin Across?

Anyway, a few more questions:

1, In a no e***a coin across, at the point of executing the HPC, what's the motivation for showing "two coins on my left, and two coins on my right" (think those who ever do HPC would understand). Sometimes, I find that line a bit contrived.

2. In case of a having an e***a coin, we usually show coins from left to right as a subtlety... either by using a friction pass, bobo switch etc, but both method require the transfer the p position to a classic, is there a way to do it without needing to switch positions?

I tried throwing the coins to the left and hold-out in classic, but the hands looked very very clamped.

If you don't feel comfortable using HPC, there are some routines that don't require that move.

You can always use a fake put, a click pass or a steal etc. Or a pointing transfer to replace HPC. I'll show you a version of the pointing transfer when we meet up.

Boss, Question is WHEN can we meet up???

:P

dry_gin

Soon soon. I'll try to go to the next meeting. ;)

Dun try lar! Post your name at the events page! Many people would love to go and see you do something!!

See you there!

dry_gin