did u see this demo on cigapen
visual trnsformation from ciggerettes to pen
Great way for anti smoking campaign
Ciggerettes to pen for signing on for not smoking

cigapen link :P

Tons of questions:

1) IS it you in the video?
2) Is there sleight needed.
3) Is there a S****c* involved?
4) Gimmiked?

Looks good to me and did anyone order it and what is review? Is it good or bad?

dont order from hanklee .. the shipping is freaking expensive.btw the demo looks really good :huh:

i dont really like it... i think its too impossible.... too impossible , people are more likely not to be amazed...
for us magician ..... yes its amazing.... as we know most tricks that are visual are sle***t of H**d so ... its amazing... laymen think the other wise


B)

that my opinion

ok kinda figured out how its done.. its a gimmick pen and the pen isnt examinable im 99% sure of this :P i think they will teach u how to make the gimmick.. could be self made or mayb it comes with the gimmick pen =p

by looking at the price, you guys should figure out what kinda of trick it is. I guess I know how it was done.

If it's done how i THINK it's done, the advertising is really horribly misleading...

Borrow the Cig?!
Nothing to Hide?!

And the video with that taking the cig out of the cig box action... <_<

There's a couple of threads at The Magic Cafe.

Everything can be examined or borrowed if you do a s*****.
I know what method you're thinking to accompolish this effect. I think that's the method (how's that for a mental effect? :D ).

it does look gd though :P

joke man! i not able to watch the video, how come!!!! :angry:

I think there's some 'not so truthful' marketing going on for this thingy thing... but what the hell, it does look pretty cute :) thanks for sharing anyways

vid looks good but i think its just too fast magic for people to absorb unless u can have a real nice routine and story to tell. yes its v visual but so?

its realli false advertising :wacko:
i think i noe how its done too
and its very expensive eh

geeez u guys are actually giving out hints like telling how its done lol its a little obvious isnt it..

wow......for that kind of money,i'll rather get myself 3 lifetimes supply of IT :P

if only the pen is not white then it will be something very powerful even for magician. But too bad... If you know how it was done, do keep it to yourself!

Actually I can think of a way where the pen can be handed out for examination after without a s****h. But I'm still not terribly excited about it

Hi Everyone. Thanks to the FEW that have respected the secrets of magic. I cant tollerate people acting like that, plus its ignorance. If you have questions, you should email me, the inventor... jessiahproductions@gmail.com

Basically, a couple of points to consider...

There IS a version of Cigapen that can end COMPLETELY CLEAN. No p*****, no s*****, nothing. This will be available by email in just a few weeks... for now, the original version is STILL killer, and fools laypeople and magicians alike.

The description is not misleading... read it well. It says the pen does 99% of the work... Those are Hank's words, which are very well thought out and accurate. Dont buy it if you dont want, but hundreds of people have, and will continue too becuase this is an awesome trick!

Its a quick trick... but when you combine it with other effects, you can take your performances to a whole new level!!! you have to get creative, and I think the instructions do a good job of getting you in the Cigapen frame of mind...

Its not TOO GOOD for lay people, thats who it was MADE FOR!!! I have developed this trick infront of a mirror for about 6 years so I guarantee NOTHING was left out. The new manual, due in a couple of weeks, will have all kinds of NEW HANDLINGS AND EFFECTS... Since Cigapen has come out, there have been alot of inovations and ideas that have come together nicely. Now I offer them to you. So, please respect Cigapen, my first commercial effect.

PS: Hank Lee's Magic Factory has deals all the time on the shipping, and you should call them if it seems to be a problem. Let me know, I am always available for help. And if you could refer to www.themagiccafe.com for any extra forum talk about Cigapen. Just do a search for it... Thanks for your support everyone... -Jesse Feinberg

hi jessiah:

i do not intend to offend you with this question, but i really want to know the answer:

why did it take you six years to develop the effect?

could you please explain?

thanks.

I really hate the negativity on this forum, magic is fun and exciting. There is really no reason to hate on something that you dont have to have anything to do with. Dont buy it, dont talk about it if it upsets you. And CERTAINLY, DO NO GIVE OUT SECRETS!!! Ridiculous! Wheres the moderator at? whatever...

To answer your question kryptikalism, I had come up with a different version at first. Slowly, over a year or two, I developed the full routine/gimmick. Then, for a couple of years, I performed it exclusively to tighten anything up, and see if any new ideas came to me. Then just at the end of last year, I FINALLY decided to market it. I knew going thru Hank would be pretty easy, assuming he liked my trick. AND HE DID. He saw the potential, and he wanted everyone to get a chance to know what we knew... So I got the packaging set up, and viola. I make everything, print, and package it up. A one man operation. Im SO glad I did decide to market it. Its really inspiring for me, and now I want to drop some new stuff soon! Stay posted... even hotter than the Cigapen, SERIOUSLY! But I will always love my first trick a little more than the others to come...

If ANY of you have questions, or suggestions/comments, PLEASE email me. jessiahproductions@gmail.com I NEVER want to mislead anyone, so ask first. Just dont go and trash something you dont have any clue how it works. Ignorance I would have to say it is. So PLEASE, let me know whats up, but be nice! :) -Jesse

Hmm... now this post got into my attention, i saw the demo. It was nice, very nice after all. If it involve no s**** and p****e move. I think it's a nice idea afterall, might get 1 if i have the spare cash. :)

Erhem.....someone rang? :)

Wow, strong words. How may I be of assistance sir? :)
(I'm getting better with dealing with angry dealers ^_^)

My most sincere apologies sir :( Unfortunately, at present, we do not have concrete rules banning anyone from giving their honest opinions and reviews. -_-
The founder of the forum thought that if we only talk about the things we like and keep silent about the parts we dun like, everyone might start sounding like infomercial hosts. :unsure:
However, as with the people who said they like something, the people who declare that they do not like a certain item are encouraged to explain their reasons. We do not encourage members to say "this sucks! Don't buy it!" without giving their reasons for that opinion.
Did you find that to be inconsistant with the posts in this thread sir? :mellow:

Yes i agree. Of course, most certainly sir. :)
Would you be so kind as to point out which post(s) in this thread so far has infringed this rule? It shall most certainly be removed and the poster fairly warned. :mellow:
By the way, we do not consider mentioning that an item is gimmicked as giving out secret, that's fair consumer information.
Same with mentioning that a s****h is involved, which we had taken the extra precaution of censoring it such that a curious surfer will not be any the wiser. This too is considered fair information because certain magic dealers (e.g. Penguin) have the tendency to advertise something as complete examinable when you have to s****h the whole table, closeup mate and your left shoe. ^_^
If you feel that these descriptions are unfair, please enlighten us the reasons and we will most certainly review the current rules. :)

If however, these descriptions are inaccurate, please be so kind as to inform us accordingly. We will surely apologise and clarify it such that future readers will no be misled by our wrong information.

Actually sir, the point of having a forum is to SOMETIMES discuss and talk about magic effects that we have seen/bought/learnt/watched, amidst the main activities of Ning-teasing and nonsense blabbering. :)
I am certain that many users are eager to email and discuss their opinions with you too, but it might be a little difficult to prevent all forum users from starting magic effect related discussions. The thing is, many of the members actually happen to be quite interested in magic in general for some reason.

Now, seriously, if you have an opinion about certain aspect of the forum that you felt could be improved, I would most certainly welcome your suggestions and feedback. Where it is applicable/necessary, i will surely implement new rules to make the forum better.
Actually, I've already thought of one that I need to check with the other moderators to see that it's the right direction to go.


Cheers B)
(I really think i'm getting better at dealing with angry dealers)

I think you removed it, so Thanks! I just cant tolerate people that cross the line. I would understand if you had to explain to me the hookup for the boomerang card if I wasn't doing it right... or a simple force for me to use just so I could get started... I really believe I have made available a great closeup trick, ungimmicky, clean, visual, super up-close, and MANY possibilities... But I can take critisism as well, its constructive for me most of the time... unless ridiculously rude. I really do appreciate all of your opinions! So thanks for even making a Cigapen post in the first place, Respek, BO BO BO (ali g)

In Hank's description for example: the pen does 99% of the work. hmm. and also the cigarette CAN be borrowed. If you can do a dB l***, then you could probably come up with some completely new &*%$ I never new was possible. The cost is only 20 dollars. If you look at 70% of the (new) closeup magic prices, its a bargain. I make a good amount of money at my job, but this magic is making me broke! I'd spend my whole paycheck at hanks anyday! lol :P I TOTALLY understand if you dont want to spend your loot on Cigapen, I expect only a small portion of the magic comm. NEED Cigapen... but I think almost 90% of magicians would find it fun to atleast play around with. If you dont have 20 bux. then make me a trade... ill overnight one... :D

Exactly, but if you want to trade me 1 lifetime worth of your IT, then Ill send you a Cigapen bro...hook me up yah know? B)

Actually I can think of a way where the pen can be handed out for examination after without a s****h. But I'm still not terribly excited about it -Morphine
I hope I could help you out with this. I have a GREAT way that you can have a Cigapen FULLY EXAMINABLE. I perform it this new way myself, but Cigapen comes to you more as effect/idea to build on. Not that it lack i think, but that it includes an opportunity for yourself to come up with a new handling. If you could, let me know what your thinkin about, so we could build on our ideas! Thanks alot!

So basically, if you wanna trade sumthin, Ill send you a Cigapen. kiddin LOL!!! :D Thanks Folks! -Jesse -Jessiahproductions@gmail.com

PS: If you own the following, it may be an inexpensive add-in to your existing arsenal: cig thru quarter/card/chip, raven, fism flash, shrinking pen, any pen vanish, bic pen thru bill (i can recommend a friend of mines!), any writen predictions, um, ill think of more later. peace-

my 0.02cents
Although one can say how the cigapen is being done, but for me the real value lies on how the originator make an effort to create the best explaination in the handling, patter & the routine. The originator need to be creative & do a lot of research & time on the product before launching. Same like KR even u know the secret but it takes 30 mins of video time just to explain on how to perform. So Jessiah keep up your goodwork & be creative always.

Thank you SO MUCH! I think you get why it took 6 years. An inovative, new idea in magic doesn't always manifest overnight... And I appreciate the comment on the instructions. I was concerned about having to do expensive printing, so I tried to put all the info on 1 page. I was able to explain everything and more with just 1 double sided page... but this brings me to my next point.

There is a new manual coming out in a few weeks that will describe MANY MORE APPLICATIONS/HANDINGS. There is a FULLY EXAMINABLE VERSION, and then I also talk about new ideas for transformations, uses, and ways to fool them COMPLETELY. I teach a pen vanish... and a few other things I probably havent really thought about yet. Its a work in progress, but I will finish it before the end of the month. So for the existing customers, Ill email it to you soon enough. The new Cigapen purchasers will receive it in the new packages once complete (the manual). And for people on the fence, or not thinking its that great of an effect, this may change your mind. A FULLY EXAMINABLE CIGAPEN. no switches, nothing to hide, hand the pen out. Its real. ask away people. Im available anytime for an email or PM for the sensitive questions... Thanks for the support everyone! -Jesse

PS: any existing owners that may have ideas for new handlings/etc... let me know what you got so I can add it into the manual and credit you! LATER!

I don't like this one too either.

I'm sorry Jessiah, this may be your brainchild, but i think it's just a so so trick.
"Borrowing" a cig and then turning it into a pen by s****hing isn't really borrowing something from the spec isn't it?
To me, saything that a trick "can borrow item from spec" and then saying to s****h it is misleading the consumer.

For the effect, the idea IS refreshing, but that's about all there is too it. You cannot exactly plainly reach into a box of cigs to take out the cig so that means you probably have to come to the audience pre-setup or convince them you keep loose sticks of cigs in your coat pocket.
And it's a 15 sec effect, and i think it will much better serve as a little sideshow trick rather than being the trick itself.

I'll say, erm....2/5?

nope,

a short and visual effect like this which involves the spectator (by borrowing a cig) is best used as an opener effect to grab their attention, make a statement ("i can do magic") and continue with a routine. its not a "little sideshow trick" but as an opener, u now have a pen which "can" be used to sign cards during your routine. to mark the end of the routine, u might even change it back to a cig and return.

"than being the trick itself" do u perform a trick at a time? buy a trick and perform it, buy another and perform, learn 1 and perform, learn another and perform?

and i dont see whats so "wrong" with switches. borrow it, do some funky up the nose crap, switch it on the offbeat, and perform the effect. and jessiah said u can hand the pen out for complete examination. i dont think this effect causes the audience to suspect a switch as much as blaines biteout coin, if at all.

"that means you probably have to come to the audience pre-setup"

dear bluerabbit, what is wrong with having a setup prior to a routine? do u not have some setup b4 performing, having a certain stack etc? whether is it a 2CM or other routines? if im not wrong, cigapen should be either instantly resetable or very quickly resettable. beats trying to stack some cards out of 52 (eg. 2CM).

based on effect, practicality, and possible inclusion into a routine, i would rate it 6/10. being able to borrow a cig and thus having some "participation" and "ungimmicked" feel gives it an extra point. 7/10.

the only prob is that younger ppl cant perform (since its illegal and unnatural to handle cigs), and that not many ppl in s'pore smoke...

Ah yes, the younger crowd. Well they can also do a similar effect with other objects. What about a crayon, or maybe some candy, like smarties or sumthing... Its very easy to create new effects...

The setup thing is outrageous. Thats what magic tricks take to perform sometimes. But Cigapen is almost 0% setup. You can pull a cigarette out of the pack, just like in the demo video. Lets get creative! And whats up with the lazy attitude about setups. What about flight 204, or A.I. Those are a pain to set up, and walk around with, but do-able and there awesome tricks.

Cigapen is definatly a great opener, closer, or a great lead in to countless tricks. Dont hate on the Cigapen. It is what it is. And its advertised properly. I have never had someone say, "this is not what I payed for...". Basically only good reviews from the owners. If you do not own it, it might be hard (ignorant) for you to speculate on its weaknesses... Try it out, you'll enjoy it. I have been killing audiences with it forever... So far, NOTHING has ever been questioned or figured out by spectators. They ALWAYS have similar reactions. "Where did the cigarette go? show me your hands..." and you can... its a great little trick. So thanks to Gordie for the review, and blue rabbit too. I appreciate your honesty, but you need to understand that without ever playing with the effect, you cant really "accuratly" criticize... But thanks guys for the support! -Jesse